Jan. 15, 2024

Maartje van Krieken, Cheerleader without Cheering | DFS 277

Maartje van Krieken, Cheerleader without Cheering | DFS 277
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Season 1

Get all the inside secrets and tools you need to help you develop your intuitive and leadership skills so you are on the path to the highest level of success with ease.  Maartje and I met in New Orleans at Speakers Playhouse Live!  We became fast friends.  When I had the opportunity to share her with my audience, it was a quick YES!

In this episode you will learn:


  • Success is tapping into what you know you are good at
  • Plant seeds for others
  • Ask yourself, “Says who?”


Find Maartje on LinkedIn at:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/maartje/

Website:  www.thechaosgamesspeaker.com



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Listen in as Jennifer Takagi, founder of Takagi Consulting, 5X time Amazon.Com Best Selling-Author, Certified Soul Care Coach, Certified Jack Canfield Success Principle Trainer, Certified Professional Behavioral Analyst and Facilitator of the DISC Behavioral Profiles, Certified Change Style Indicator Facilitator, Law of Attraction Practitioner, and Certified Coaching Specialist - leadership entrepreneur, speaker and trainer, shares the lessons she’s learned along the way.  Each episode is designed to give you the tools, ideas, and inspiration to lead with integrity. Humor is a big part of Jennifer’s life, so expect a few puns and possibly some sarcasm.  Tune in for a motivational guest, a story or tips to take you even closer to that success you’ve been coveting.  Please share the episodes that inspired you the most and be sure to leave a comment.  


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Wishing you the best,

Jennifer Takagi

Speaker, Trainer, Author, Catalyst for Healing


PS: We would love to hear from you! For questions, coaching, or to book interviews, please email my team at Jennifer@takagiconsulting.com

Transcript
Jennifer Takagi:

Welcome to destined for success. I'm your

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host Jennifer Takagi and today is one of my favorite days it's

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PATA Palooza, de where I get to meet all kinds of cool people,

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and reconnect with friends. So our next guest is Mark Chang,

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I'm not going to try to say your last name, you can tell us what

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it is. But we met originally at an event called speakers

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Playhouse live in New Orleans, Louisiana. And then we got to

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play together again in Fort Lauderdale at keynoting camp. So

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I keep loving San Marcos all the time on various groups that

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we're in and on the Zoom, but more importantly in person

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because that's even funner marcha, thanks for being here

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today. On my podcast, talk to us about success, what's going on

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with you, my friend?

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Maartje van Krieken: Hey, Jennifer, I also love hanging

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out with you, you have such infectious energy that you make

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every day better. So thank you. You are a cheerleader without

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even cheerleading, it's like you, you put little sparks in us

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just by smiling at us. So thank you for that. I always like a

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little Jennifer spark. So, yeah, so success. I thought I could

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tell you a little bit about my struggle to figure out how to be

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successful in my career. Because it took me a few iterations to

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figure that out. So as my last name you,

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like very few people, like at five years old,

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know what they want to do, and then stick to it the rest of

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their lives in a happy, joyful way. They might stick with it,

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but they may not be happy and joyful. Okay, so tell me about

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your path.

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Maartje van Krieken: So the difficult name Archie from

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Kicker is a Dutch name. So I grew up in the Netherlands and I

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grew up in one of the few towns in the nose that has a boarding

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school. So at age 12, which is when our high school starts,

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where's this influx of kids in my class who had grown up all

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around the world, because their parents had had a career working

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internationally, and they were sent home for school, and

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hearing how they live their lives. I decided there and then

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at age 12, that's what I wanted, right? So fast forward, I had my

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master's in engineering, I'd had a decent job with the only place

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I would go with that was Munich, in southern Germany. And that

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would then be it for the rest of my life. And I'm like, yeah,

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that doesn't really gel with the going everywhere. So I applied

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with one of the major oil and gas companies, shell in my case,

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which had an assessment, so you could come in as international

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staff, which was course exactly what I want. my engineering

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degree wasn't necessarily the most relevant field, but I'm

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like, you know, you don't want it you want it. So I went for

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it. And so that was a big success, because I got in. I got

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in and then I achieved what I wanted, right? faltered a little

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bit by then. Because all these big multinationals, right, the

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great thing is they give you lots of training, etc. And the

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more restrictive thing is they have very prescribed career

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paths, right. So it's very clear. This is the path you're

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old. If you slipped in here, then this is how you develop

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this is how you get trained, these are the jobs you need to

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do. And so I got slotted into probably the more extreme oil

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and oil and gas and don't things. Frontier projects, which

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is even more male dominated than other parts is probably also in

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the more old fashioned parts of the world or, yeah, the

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culturally more difficult areas to work as a woman. So I went in

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with all my enthusiasm. And for about five years, I tried to

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swim in my lane as instructed, right. I try not only to swim in

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my lane, but I also tried to be like, I thought I was supposed

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to be right, which was a path walked by mainly men. And so I

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did that for quite a while. And I started to run into issues,

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right? Because it wasn't quite me. And I started and yeah, I'd

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run into issues on and off more and more to the point that I was

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working and living in eastern Russia on an island that's very

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remote right. And interesting work. But we were under lots of

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pressure from from everywhere. The project was behind light

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years and it was a bit of a disaster. And I found myself

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pregnant and I hadn't told anybody about it. And then I'd

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lost the baby at a point where everything at work was starting

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to fall apart. And so yeah, that was for me the big moment at

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which I realized that I was trying Ain't of play a game by

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somebody else's rules. And it really wasn't working. So I

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changed jobs moved state with the company, a company like that

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is so big that you could do almost anything, right? And

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somebody said to me, Marty said that, you know, if you're

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willing to work in the gray, you're gonna have lots of great

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jobs. And it's just every time that they reorganize or

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whatever, is going to be painful, because you don't fit

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in. But if you can put up with that, you can have an amazing

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career swimming in the gray, because that's where nobody else

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is, and just, you know, craft your own path. Okay, so wait.

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So playing in the gray, like, that's gray zone

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versus white or black, you're, you're gonna be you

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Maartje van Krieken: could also color call it coloring outside

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the lines, right? So instead of sticking to one career ladder, I

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ended up between kind of two. And sometimes both were happily

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declaring to own me. And at times, nobody wanted me because

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I didn't fit very cleanly, right with their hidcote. Counsel

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their numbers. So it's a bit That's right. Okay. Got it.

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Yeah, and, and deep down, you know, I think we do know what

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we're good at and what we like. So I took a bunch of iterations,

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right to dig that out. And admit that to myself, because that

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also meant admitting that I maybe wasn't good at some of the

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stuff that conventionally would get you to the top of the ladder

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in some of these roles. But over time, I think I've chosen more

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and more for what I know is my path versus what I think the

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path should be. And every time I did, I got rewarded with more

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success. So I would say I've one of the last years, I've worked

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for this company. I was leaving the office in India and a group

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of younger engineers petitions to actually have a Coffee Corner

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named after me. So I think that's that's a great example.

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They wanted to call it the march energy court corner. To kind of

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thanked me right for the energy I brought them and what I've

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done there and so I think to me, that was the best ever

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compliment I had in my life. I mean,

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okay, so let's just stop a bit and take that

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in. Okay, they wanted to name a Coffee Corner, like a coffee

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shop corner, in

Unknown:

the office and the office after you. Yes. In India.

Unknown:

Yes. Which

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I don't think is a really female dominated

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workforce place

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Maartje van Krieken: in the younger generations is

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definitely is but No, literally no, no, no, that people expect a

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white woman to do well, right.

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They do or they don't. So

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Maartje van Krieken: I think people don't expect it. Yeah.

Jennifer Takagi:

No, I think, Okay, I

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just had to, I had to just like, take that in

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for a minute. You have a you have a Coffee Corner named after

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you. That's impressive. I want a Coffee Corner named after me. I

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don't even drink coffee, but I want one.

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Maartje van Krieken: can work on that?

Jennifer Takagi:

Let's make that happen. Okay. So and and the

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fact that you went to India and let's just throw in I think you

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had a baby while you were in India. Baby number three came

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in.

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Maartje van Krieken: Yeah, when she have any babies and Tao and

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a big belly. So I rocked up in the office the first day and I

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was 30 weeks or 32 weeks pregnant, something like that.

Unknown:

Wow. You were

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on it. Okay. Okay, so I'm sorry, I got so

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sidetracked for a minute there. Go ahead. Carrie.

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Maartje van Krieken: So to me, I think success is is about really

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tapping into to what you know, you're good at, right. And if

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you can turn the majority of your job, I don't know if it's

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realistic, right to have that 100% of the time because

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especially in larger organizations, or even in

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smaller organizations, there's always stuff that also needs to

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happen. But I think if you can tap in enough of that, and the

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energy balance of your job is such that you do more of what

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you love and less of what cost you energy means that you get to

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come home from your dog with more energy than you put in and

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that your personally life doesn't have to suffer as a

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consequence, right? Because we all have a limited amount it has

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to come from somewhere. So listen to your inner voice and

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don't try to play by somebody else's rules if it doesn't work

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for you.

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And so I had a position that was a very um It

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varied position with all kinds of various tasks. And the

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amount, the vast amount of knowledge you had to know to do

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everything well, was huge. And I had been in that department

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about two years, which was, as my one of my colleagues that

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helped train me said, that's just enough to start being

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dangerous because you think you know what you're doing. But

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there are so many things that would come into play. And there

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was one aspect of it, I loved. And it got to the point where I

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volunteered to do that task for all my colleagues, because I was

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really good at it very easily, naturally, and they weren't. And

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in the end, I worked myself into having my very own title. Oh, I

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lost you marcha. Ah, now you're coming back. I don't know what

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happened.

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Maartje van Krieken: I'm so sorry.

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We're still here. Yay, we're still here. But

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I worked my way into a job that was highly specialized. And I

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ended up being known all over the country have as the one to

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call if you were working on this and had a problem with it. So I

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think people, and please share your thoughts on this. I think

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often people get very close minded on what the possibilities

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could be, to make themselves shine so that they are noticed

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for those things they're really good at because, like, I did

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what I was really good at. And one day I got a call. And a man

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in another department was on this team reorganizing the

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office. And he said, Hey, would you come talk to me? And I said,

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Yeah, well, what's going on? And he said, I said, you needed to

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have this particular title, and do this particular job. And I've

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been pushing really hard for it. And I decided, I better ask you,

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is this what you want? And I was like, Ah, yes, that's exactly

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what I want. So it worked out beautifully. So do you have any

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guidance for people who feel like they're really stuck and

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trapped, that they may not be as trapped as they think they are?

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Maartje van Krieken: Yeah, I think, you know, particularly

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coming from the corporate world, I was really trapped in these

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buzzwords that are in job descriptions, right. And, and so

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and I think that's not helpful. And the way to think about that

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is, for instance, I worked forever in project management.

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But if I tell you that I'm a project manager, that's going to

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mean a gazillion different things to gazillion different

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people, right. So it's not actually helpful. So I need to

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with that clarify more, right. And so if you think about it

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that way, I tell my coaching clients, or other people who

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asked me this, try to draw a box, right? Try to draw a box

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that you can communicate so and maybe ask other people, people

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that you like, and maybe people that you don't like what it is

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they think of when they think of you because it will help you

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develop vocabulary. So one of the first vocabularies that

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really started to swim around when I started to gather this

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feedback, which is what I still carry, which is I structured

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chaos, I'm good at organizing and structuring chaos, it was

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something along those lines came up time and time again, right.

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So as a project manager, I'm good at setting up new projects

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and structuring them so that they can get off to a good foot

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and get started. Or when they fail, to try and put them back

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on dry land. Don't ask me to do the 20 last percent of a project

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right and cross The cross the t's and dot the i's, I will fail

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any day at that. Right. That is not what I do. And so I think if

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you, but there is a space for that, because there's people who

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love that, right. And we also need to realize that the project

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manager from day one and the project manager on day 100, when

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it wraps up, don't need to be the same person as long as I'm

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handover is good, right? So I think if you can just start

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describing your box saying this is the space I want to play in.

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And I don't really know what job titles fit with that. But if you

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can communicate that well. And I think if you can communicate

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that early, right, build a network and say to people, this

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is what I see myself do, they'll remember that and then they'll

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see something and go like, I remember marcha talking about

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this, this fits with her books. And that's how you get your

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jobs. Right. That's the example you gave, I think you need to

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plant the seed in people's heads, right? That they

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somewhere will put in their head. And it needs to not be so

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generic that it's free. gettable, right, so people

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remember something about the structure in chaos. So they

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remember that. And then it could be three months, six months, but

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at some point, they'll hear something. And if it works,

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they'll go like, Oh, I remember this girl. And I don't remember

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all of it. But she had some energy around this. And that's

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what she said, as well as I remember that they might take

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the one or two minutes it takes to find me back on LinkedIn, or

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find me back in one of their calendars or whatever it was,

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right, they might actually take the effort to look me up and

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make the connection. So you know, describe your book, your

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books, put in some terms that are a bit more outstanding,

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right? And, and yeah, put it out there, right?

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Well, I love that I got a call one day, and I

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always would do training, like I would volunteer to train, I kind

Jennifer Takagi:

of wanted to be a teacher, but I didn't really want to be in the

Jennifer Takagi:

school system. So that's a little problematic on that

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dream. So I never, I never finished that. You know those

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credentials to be a teacher in school. But at work, I would

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always volunteer to train on pretty much anything. And when

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all the different suite of Microsoft Office came out, for

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those of you who are super young, you're like, didn't that

Jennifer Takagi:

always exist? No, it didn't always exist it, it appeared one

Jennifer Takagi:

day. And I volunteered to train. And I found all the training

Jennifer Takagi:

materials, the office ordered him. And I trained everybody on

Jennifer Takagi:

multiple levels of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and access, and

Jennifer Takagi:

literally was shipped around the region, to train people how to

Jennifer Takagi:

use access and how to create reports and stuff. So I was

Jennifer Takagi:

really good at that. But one day, I got a call and it was

Jennifer Takagi:

like, we need you to be a navigator. I didn't know what

Jennifer Takagi:

that was. And we need you to travel, travel the country and

Jennifer Takagi:

train for a year. And I was like, Yeah, I'm not doing that.

Jennifer Takagi:

Federal government. Yeah, you do it, whether you want to or not.

Jennifer Takagi:

And I was really good at it. And I got back just in time to find

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out that they were reorganizing the office. And I can either

Jennifer Takagi:

retire or relocate or resign. And I ran out as fast as I

Jennifer Takagi:

could. And it was like, I loved training. That's what I'm gonna

Jennifer Takagi:

do. And I've spent hundreds of hours training people since I

Jennifer Takagi:

left the federal government. But I was really good at it. But if

Jennifer Takagi:

if you had said what was your job description, being a trainer

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was never in there. But like you say, was something I was good

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at. And everybody knew I was good at it. Because I was one of

Jennifer Takagi:

five people in the whole country of 1000s of federal employees

Jennifer Takagi:

with the Department of Housing and Urban Development selected

Jennifer Takagi:

to do this thing. So I love that. And when we hang up, I'm

Jennifer Takagi:

going to get a box and I'm going to, I'm going to no four in that

Jennifer Takagi:

box out. Are you making some phone calls on this box? I love

Jennifer Takagi:

this. So how do you help people today? Like what do you do?

Jennifer Takagi:

Well, so

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Maartje van Krieken: I still structure chaos, I made it my

Jennifer Takagi:

business. So the oil company and I parted ways because I wanted

Jennifer Takagi:

to continue structuring business and they wanted me to be a

Jennifer Takagi:

female leader in oil and gas. And so, you know, I help

Jennifer Takagi:

entrepreneurs or organizations deal with business turmoil and

Jennifer Takagi:

business turmoil is usually inflicted by fast paced business

Jennifer Takagi:

environments. But it could also be businesses that are changing

Jennifer Takagi:

at a very fast paced rate. Or it could be other, you know,

Jennifer Takagi:

factors that inflict a crisis like like COVID did, for

Jennifer Takagi:

instance, right. And so I think of myself as like the Energizer

Jennifer Takagi:

Bunny, I come in temporarily, I like temporarily, right? I

Jennifer Takagi:

don't, I don't come around, and then try to stick around I come

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in, because you've temporarily run out of steam, and kind of

Jennifer Takagi:

find yourself with your back against the wall. And they're

Jennifer Takagi:

looking at it and just don't know how to get restarted, right

Jennifer Takagi:

how to find your course again, or find a new course or and find

Jennifer Takagi:

that momentum. So I come in, and I try to get you back moving to

Jennifer Takagi:

the point that you can feel that you do yourself again with your

Jennifer Takagi:

team, right? So that's what I do. And I love it because I get

Jennifer Takagi:

energy from people being back and enthusiastic and operating,

Jennifer Takagi:

right. I want people to go home from their job happy. And if I

Jennifer Takagi:

do my job well, then instead of going home and sleeping bad,

Jennifer Takagi:

they go home and they have time to do stuff with their kids and

Jennifer Takagi:

their partners and are happier again. Right?

Jennifer Takagi:

Oh my gosh, I love that. So if someone wants

Jennifer Takagi:

to get ahold of you, how would we find you?

Jennifer Takagi:

We froze for a moment there. Are you with me, Marta? Ah,

Jennifer Takagi:

Maartje van Krieken: we're frozen, very active on LinkedIn.

Jennifer Takagi:

So well, I'll provide all the links.

Jennifer Takagi:

You're frozen for a minute, you're very active

Jennifer Takagi:

on LinkedIn.

Jennifer Takagi:

Maartje van Krieken: Yes, and my name is not the easiest. But um,

Jennifer Takagi:

I will make sure I provide Jennifer all the links, so you

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can click on them. I also have a website that's called the gales,

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the chaos games speaker. So that's maybe easier. So you can

Jennifer Takagi:

Google that and find me there. So those would be good starting

Jennifer Takagi:

points to get ahold of me. Perfect.

Jennifer Takagi:

And we will put those in the show notes so that

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we can connect with you and stay in touch. So any parting words

Jennifer Takagi:

for our audience?

Unknown:

Well,

Unknown:

Maartje van Krieken: I think I have one tip, I'd like to share

Unknown:

with everybody, because I think it comes with, you know what I

Unknown:

said earlier that, you know, trying to play by somebody

Unknown:

else's rules tends to fail every time. Yeah, it's in times of

Unknown:

overwhelm. We also have these long lists of things that we

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feel we need to do, and it's very hard to prioritize those.

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things to do and say says who? And anything where the answer is

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they are them or other faceless entities. That's a sure sign. It

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shouldn't be at the top of your priority list. If it doesn't

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have a face, yeah. Then why does it matter? Right? Why does it

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matter that they say you need to do this, if it's your current

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clients, you know, or the person who pays your bills, it probably

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should be at the top of your list, but your partner or your

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kid who deserves your attention, of course, but if it's people

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you're trying to impress who might not even know that you're

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trying to do this, or people who are just very loud on the

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sidelines, but don't have any influence on these decisions.

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yourself when it's all too much. Says who? That

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who? Oh my gosh, I love that Marsha. It was

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so awesome to have you on my show today. And I can't wait

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till we get to play again together.

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Maartje van Krieken: Need to look forward to seeing you soon.

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I'm Jennifer Takagi with destined for

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success. I look forward to connecting with you soon.