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In this episode, the Speak in Flow podcast delves into the exhilarating world of new leadership with Brandon Talagtag, a visionary in team dynamics and transformational leadership. Host Melinda Lee is on fire as she uncovers strategies and insights for those stepping into leadership roles.
1. Stepping into Leadership with Confidence
Embrace the Journey: Learn how to step into leadership and navigate the initial challenges with confidence and assurance. Overcoming Uncertainty: Brandon Talagtag shares practical insights on breaking down resistance from individuals uncertain about your leadership.
2. Nurturing Cohesive Teams Through Change
Managing Transitions: Discover effective strategies to maintain team cohesion during periods of change. Building Trust: Insights on fostering trust and unity within teams, even amidst transitions.
3. Effective Presentation Strategies
Embracing Vulnerability: Learn how to present with impact even if you feel you don't know it all. Authentic Leadership: Strategies to deliver compelling presentations while being genuine and true to yourself.
4. Tips for New Team Leaders
Brandon Talagtag’s Insights: Delve into the actionable tips and advice shared by Brandon Talagtag for new team leaders. Practical Steps: Key takeaways and actionable steps for those stepping into leadership roles. Find Brandon Talagtag on LinkedIn
Tune in and join Melinda Lee and Brandon Talagtag as they unpack the art of stepping into leadership roles, fostering team cohesion, and delivering impactful presentations on the Speak in Flow podcast. It's an episode filled with laughter, insights, and actionable advice for emerging leaders.
About Melinda:
Melinda Lee is a Presentation Skills Expert, Speaking Coach and nationally renowned Motivational Speaker. She holds an M.A. in Organizational Psychology, is an Insights Practitioner, and is a Certified Professional in Talent Development as well as Certified in Conflict Resolution. For over a decade, Melinda has researched and studied the state of “flow” and used it as a proven technique to help corporate leaders and business owners amplify their voices, access flow, and present their mission in a more powerful way to achieve results.
She has been the TEDx Berkeley Speaker Coach and worked with hundreds of executives and teams from Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Caltrans, Bay Area Rapid Transit System, and more. Currently, she lives in San Francisco, California, and is breaking the ancestral lineage of silence.
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Hi, Brandon, it's good to see you. Thanks for
Melinda Lee:being here.
Brandon Talagtag:I'm Melinda, good to see you as well.
Melinda Lee:Hi, I'm so glad you're here. And I'm glad you're
Melinda Lee:here to share your experiences with us in terms of leadership,
Melinda Lee:team leadership, and well, as well as some presentations,
Melinda Lee:we're going to talk about how to improve our presentation skills.
Melinda Lee:As you know, being a team leader, any leader presenting is
Melinda Lee:very important. So let's start off with your journey, your
Melinda Lee:journey in the retail space. Go ahead and tell us about what
Melinda Lee:that was like for you.
Brandon Talagtag:Of course. So for me, I have about eight years
Brandon Talagtag:of retail experience. I started at the age of 16 at Target. And
Brandon Talagtag:target was a very, very different time in the retail
Brandon Talagtag:fields. very customer centric, very team orientated. And that's
Brandon Talagtag:something I really enjoyed. So at the age of 16, to 18, I was
Brandon Talagtag:just a regular target employee. I learned a lot because I was
Brandon Talagtag:young. And then from there on at age 18, I became a manager. I
Brandon Talagtag:was probably one of the youngest managers at target at that time.
Brandon Talagtag:And every year from then on going forward, I became a new
Brandon Talagtag:manager at a different position. So I first started in
Brandon Talagtag:electronics going over into market and consumables. From
Brandon Talagtag:there on going to the presentation, IO creating team
Brandon Talagtag:leader, and then from there on, became a key holder and then
Brandon Talagtag:progressed over to h&m right afterwards, took about a year
Brandon Talagtag:away from Target, move over to h&m. And then there from there
Brandon Talagtag:on. I moved over to McKenna capital where I am the office
Brandon Talagtag:coordinator for the building today.
Melinda Lee:Wow. And so tell me what do you think was your skill
Melinda Lee:set or your strengths that made you one of the youngest the
Melinda Lee:youngest leader, Team Leader at Target? What do you think that
Melinda Lee:was?
Brandon Talagtag:Well, first, I really enjoyed working. That was
Brandon Talagtag:one of the major things that pushed me my dad always worked
Brandon Talagtag:when he was younger, he doesn't really have a college degree. He
Brandon Talagtag:just went to high school. And he instilled a lot of work ethic
Brandon Talagtag:with me, he worked two jobs helped push me to where I am
Brandon Talagtag:today. And I carry that forward and to target I worked
Brandon Talagtag:tremendously well with team in a team aspect. I always made sure
Brandon Talagtag:that I had my team members back, had my managers back and had my
Brandon Talagtag:team in the best interest. And when I became a manager, I
Brandon Talagtag:pushed for that as well. Each year I had a different team to
Brandon Talagtag:work with. And in terms of continuity, that that's
Brandon Talagtag:horrible. But it really just shows how willing I was to work
Brandon Talagtag:with a new team, and just work with the new fields of
Brandon Talagtag:leadership and target. And I wanted to instil team values
Brandon Talagtag:every time I worked as a team. And when I left each team to
Brandon Talagtag:move to a new team, I was very, very, very happy to know that my
Brandon Talagtag:team bond that I had with my team prior kept going moving
Brandon Talagtag:forward. It was kind of like a plug in place effect where a new
Brandon Talagtag:team leader was able to take over where I was. And the ball
Brandon Talagtag:just kept rolling. The ball just kept awesome.
Melinda Lee:Wow, they must have been so happy that you're able
Melinda Lee:to do that. And do you think it's because of the values you
Melinda Lee:said, for each team, we had those clearly defined? What
Melinda Lee:created the glue.
Brandon Talagtag:I think it's I think when it comes to managing
Brandon Talagtag:a team, it comes to building interpersonal communication, and
Brandon Talagtag:just building a bond with your team, I let them know that I
Brandon Talagtag:have their back. And just to put their trust in me as well.
Brandon Talagtag:There's going to be some changes the board, there's gonna be a
Brandon Talagtag:lot of plans and just a lot of things going on. And I know when
Brandon Talagtag:it comes to changes, it's very, very daunting. Not a lot of
Brandon Talagtag:people really enjoy change. I don't like change, but it's
Brandon Talagtag:something that we have to do going forward. It's just the way
Brandon Talagtag:that life is. And going back just instilling instilling the
Brandon Talagtag:team knowing that everyone is here. And we have a process that
Brandon Talagtag:we want to take care of. Even if it's scary, the team is here to
Brandon Talagtag:have your back. And we want to just make sure that everyone is
Brandon Talagtag:on a nice, comfortable level.
Melinda Lee:Yeah. And so you're when you're managing these
Melinda Lee:teams, you had some change to go through and change that you had
Melinda Lee:to help them through. And so what I'm hearing is that you're
Melinda Lee:able to even though they were scared or worried that you were
Melinda Lee:able to like make sure let them know that you have their back.
Brandon Talagtag:Yeah, and it comes back to building
Brandon Talagtag:relationships. I think that's one of the main fundamentals of
Brandon Talagtag:having a team and then when you build that relationship,
Brandon Talagtag:communication becomes a lot more streamlined and a lot easy, a
Brandon Talagtag:lot more easier.
Melinda Lee:Were there times where people did not they're
Melinda Lee:just resistant. Oh, of course. And then what would you do?
Brandon Talagtag:So I guess very A more recent conversation
Brandon Talagtag:that I had with one of my team members when I was at Target,
Brandon Talagtag:this is the one that always comes to me, whenever I have any
Brandon Talagtag:issues with a team, my team were my teams were very different in
Brandon Talagtag:age, there was a lot of people that were older, maybe in their
Brandon Talagtag:40s 50s. And then I had a lot of team members that were in their
Brandon Talagtag:20s, I was 20, I did not know anything that I was talking to
Brandon Talagtag:you about. Me and the older generation didn't have a lot of
Brandon Talagtag:things to connect about. It was just and is something they know.
Brandon Talagtag:And they were very upset that a younger individual was coming
Brandon Talagtag:into their fields. And just knowing that I understood where
Brandon Talagtag:they were coming from, it's not that they were mad at me, it was
Brandon Talagtag:just, there's a lot of changes that are coming about. And it's
Brandon Talagtag:always good to put yourself into someone else's perspective, and
Brandon Talagtag:try to get them insight on what's going on. So whenever it
Brandon Talagtag:comes down to a process change, or anything that's changing in
Brandon Talagtag:the business, I want them to understand that this is nothing
Brandon Talagtag:personal, the business is just going forward, it's progressing.
Brandon Talagtag:It's continuing, and we want to be here for the ride. But you
Brandon Talagtag:need to understand that the newer way of doing things, it's
Brandon Talagtag:not anything to you, it's just how we're going to progress
Brandon Talagtag:going forward as a business. And we want you to join us on this
Brandon Talagtag:journey.
Melinda Lee:And so was it a matter of just saying, Hey, this
Melinda Lee:is nothing personal? Did you do is just a word that was helpful?
Melinda Lee:Are there other things that you did to let them know that this
Melinda Lee:is not personal? Because I can imagine the people out there
Melinda Lee:some of the audience members that are like you who are
Melinda Lee:younger, or maybe less in their eyes, just in terms of age, does
Melinda Lee:that mean that you're more or less experienced, but you
Melinda Lee:probably are experienced, more experienced? That's why they
Melinda Lee:promoted you. But it's just the age, right? And it's the
Melinda Lee:perception of the disparity of the age. Now you're talking to
Melinda Lee:someone older, and they're like, Okay, how's this younger person
Melinda Lee:who's this younger manager teaching me what to do? That's
Melinda Lee:going to be very hard. So that just the words just now and
Melinda Lee:letting them know, Hey, isn't nothing personal? Was that all
Melinda Lee:that, like you use is that what was helpful? What was your other
Melinda Lee:thing?
Brandon Talagtag:I think there was a first start having a
Brandon Talagtag:conversation, the first way to go about it. In the after that I
Brandon Talagtag:wanted to involve them in the business and show them that this
Brandon Talagtag:is the process, why we're doing it and what the end result can
Brandon Talagtag:be kind of like the hand holding process going forward. When I
Brandon Talagtag:started as a younger employee, I did not know what's going on at
Brandon Talagtag:Target. I was just told to stock aisles and greet guests. But I
Brandon Talagtag:had a manager that was willing to teach me and that's what
Brandon Talagtag:instilled in me to do the same thing with my team. They showed
Brandon Talagtag:me why we're stocking and why we're customer facing, it builds
Brandon Talagtag:profit, it helps progress the business and then it makes
Brandon Talagtag:success for the overall team. And that's what I wanted to
Brandon Talagtag:share with my team going forward as well, that you're just not a
Brandon Talagtag:cog in the process, you actually have an important piece that you
Brandon Talagtag:present to the team. And that's what I did. So going forward
Brandon Talagtag:after that, after the first initial conversation, kind of
Brandon Talagtag:held their hand, push them forward through the whole
Brandon Talagtag:process and gave them insight on why it's important to do this,
Brandon Talagtag:not just, I'm telling you and get with the page, it's more of
Brandon Talagtag:a, I want you to know because you're valuable to the team.
Melinda Lee:Right. So it's about involving them into the
Melinda Lee:process and letting them know that they're just not a cog that
Melinda Lee:they're actually very important. And part of the change and and I
Melinda Lee:imagine that also builds some bond, some type of connection,
Melinda Lee:more so between you and the employee or you and that person.
Brandon Talagtag:Yeah. At the end of the day for me, as a
Brandon Talagtag:leader, it comes back to understanding them as a person,
Brandon Talagtag:I don't want to make them feel left out. And including them and
Brandon Talagtag:making them feel valued. Yeah, helped me progress through
Brandon Talagtag:Target. I had a lot of people that really helped me out
Brandon Talagtag:throughout my years as a manager. And I wanted to do the
Brandon Talagtag:same for my team because I do not know what they're doing at
Brandon Talagtag:the end of the day. Or maybe they want to progress through
Brandon Talagtag:target as I did. I just wanted to do the same thing as what I
Brandon Talagtag:learned when I progressed in my career.
Melinda Lee:Right, right. So remembering passing a bow or
Melinda Lee:right paying it forward, hey, the people that have taught me
Melinda Lee:and using that same type of energy to also pass it along to
Melinda Lee:other people. Yes, what? So now you're at mechanic capital. And
Melinda Lee:now you do a lot of presentations firm wide, and
Melinda Lee:that's to higher ups and you know, just across the firm,
Melinda Lee:delivering big presentations. What has that been like now?
Brandon Talagtag:It's, it's daunting. In all honesty, I'm
Brandon Talagtag:still nervous when I go do presentations to the firm. I'm
Brandon Talagtag:not because I'm scared of presenting, it's more, so I'm
Brandon Talagtag:just not comfortable. Because I've been in target and retail
Brandon Talagtag:for my entire career. And now joining an office management
Brandon Talagtag:kind of Spectre kind of the financial field, I don't have
Brandon Talagtag:too much knowledge in those aspects, I do know, a fair
Brandon Talagtag:amount of knowledge, I do have knowledge that could get me
Brandon Talagtag:going through the job. But I can't compare it to a lot of
Brandon Talagtag:financial analysts. Here to some accountants being in Target, I
Brandon Talagtag:was able to nitpick certain aspects, you know, I know some
Brandon Talagtag:HR, I know, some sales, I know some project management, etc,
Brandon Talagtag:etc. But when it comes to being here, in this office, I'm just
Brandon Talagtag:not too comfortable as I was before.
Melinda Lee:Yeah. And you're in like a year in a year and a half
Melinda Lee:at McKenna now. And so what do you do to prepare for the
Melinda Lee:presentations? And tell me more about the presentations that
Melinda Lee:you're delivering? Is it? Uh, is it about the office
Melinda Lee:administrator? Like, what did what is the content that you're
Melinda Lee:covering? And what do you do to prepare?
Brandon Talagtag:It's, it's more. So my presentation is like
Brandon Talagtag:information that can be beneficial to the firm, whether
Brandon Talagtag:it be events, whether it be anything pertaining to the
Brandon Talagtag:office, it's just making sure that the Office runs smoothly.
Brandon Talagtag:And if we have anything that helps benefit the office, I'll
Brandon Talagtag:help present that. I am probably the most intertwined when it
Brandon Talagtag:comes to Office affairs. When it comes to presentations, I don't
Brandon Talagtag:want to just make myself feel comfortable on what I know what
Brandon Talagtag:to speak of. To be prepared for whatever may come from there on.
Brandon Talagtag:It just comes with being comfortable in what you know
Brandon Talagtag:what to speak about, I suppose for me, as the individual. But
Brandon Talagtag:whenever it comes to presentation, I just try to take
Brandon Talagtag:a stride and whatever I can do.
Melinda Lee:How often do you have to do it?
Brandon Talagtag:I'm presentations for McKenna have
Brandon Talagtag:been kind of dropping as of recently. You go right. It's
Brandon Talagtag:very quick. But I see no issue. It's kind of like a quarterly
Brandon Talagtag:basis do I know when to expect it at least within a certain
Brandon Talagtag:quarter, but it kind of just gets plopped right in.
Melinda Lee:I love it. I love it. And that's why you're that's
Melinda Lee:I see you this is why I see is the great leader. And I'm very
Melinda Lee:articulate. And I think that that's a part what I would like
Melinda Lee:the audience to take away is that a you never know when it's
Melinda Lee:going to happen. It could just plop I mean, you're going to be
Melinda Lee:asked to speak and you never know when, right and then to
Melinda Lee:just you have to be prepared. And so Brandon here, he's taking
Melinda Lee:the time to be on this podcast, and stretch himself and be here
Melinda Lee:to speak about his experiences to to know even though I may not
Melinda Lee:feel as comfortable with some things, but I'm just gonna go
Melinda Lee:lean into it anyways. And so for audience members that are you
Melinda Lee:just know that the opportunity is going to come. So it's not
Melinda Lee:about if it's going to come when it's going to come, it's going
Melinda Lee:to happen because you're a leader. And so how can we better
Melinda Lee:best prepare ourselves, especially if you don't have
Melinda Lee:much time. And, and you're, especially if you're also a new
Melinda Lee:leader, you might be in a new firm, and you might not know
Melinda Lee:everything? And who really does, right? So how do you best
Melinda Lee:prepare for some of these moments like this. And so one
Melinda Lee:thing that you do do is do the best you can to do all the
Melinda Lee:research, give as much information about your knowledge
Melinda Lee:area, and then to know that you're not going to know
Melinda Lee:everything, and that's okay. They're not asking you to know
Melinda Lee:everything, but you do know enough and that they have faith
Melinda Lee:in you, Otherwise, they wouldn't have put you and asked you to do
Melinda Lee:that to step up and do that. And so then the rest is just about
Melinda Lee:owning your space. And, and if I could share a technique, just to
Melinda Lee:be able to allow us to feel more confident. So a lot of times
Melinda Lee:when people prepare for the presentation, they focus on the
Melinda Lee:content, what am I going to say? Right, I do all the research.
Melinda Lee:And then before their presentation, they're only
Melinda Lee:focusing on rehearsing that research. But that's only a part
Melinda Lee:of the presentation. The the other part is, how do you how do
Melinda Lee:I feel right now. So just getting in tune if you're
Melinda Lee:feeling nervous, acknowledging that nerves, acknowledging, hey,
Melinda Lee:I feel nervous. And taking about 10 minutes to because if we hide
Melinda Lee:it, if you try to bury it, it actually gets a little bit more
Melinda Lee:triggered. It wants to be heard. It's like hey, I want to like
Melinda Lee:you just all you have to do is say out loud, I am nervous. And
Melinda Lee:then you can start to journal. What am I nervous about? Or just
Melinda Lee:say it out loud, walk around, say it out loud and the more you
Melinda Lee:say it actually it starts to unravel from your ear. VA
Melinda Lee:system, you'll start to feel better. Hey, I am nervous. And
Melinda Lee:that's okay. There's no judgement. When you're like, I'm
Melinda Lee:nervous. So you've already this at this point, you've already
Melinda Lee:done the research, you know, the content. But then sometimes even
Melinda Lee:though we know the content, we've done the research, we're
Melinda Lee:still nervous. And you wonder why, right? Right? As we want to
Melinda Lee:acknowledge the nerves, and when you acknowledge it, I'm nervous.
Melinda Lee:I'm nervous. And that's okay. And then journal about it, and
Melinda Lee:then transition and then transition, this is what most
Melinda Lee:people are really good at doing. I'm going to pretend the nerves
Melinda Lee:are not there. I'm going to do it anyways. But allow for like
Melinda Lee:510 minutes to just say I'm nervous. It's a very powerful.
Melinda Lee:Have You Ever Have you ever heard of the the technique in
Melinda Lee:negotiations where we label if someone's angry, say, Hey, I
Melinda Lee:hear that you're upset? I hear that you're worried about
Melinda Lee:something. And when you say that to the other person, the Ashley,
Melinda Lee:you can see that the nerves go away that you can see that the
Melinda Lee:upset, actually diffuses you might as well do that same thing
Melinda Lee:for ourselves. Yeah. Does that sound? How does that sound?
Brandon Talagtag:Yeah, I think it just comes back to try and
Brandon Talagtag:find a level of understanding whenever someone and they
Brandon Talagtag:understand that this is a very pressing matter, or this is
Brandon Talagtag:something that's important, or, you know, any emotions that's
Brandon Talagtag:involved. And we understand that this is the conversation that
Brandon Talagtag:needs to happen. It just changes the whole level of playing
Brandon Talagtag:field.
Melinda Lee:Yeah, it needs to happen and the emotions around
Melinda Lee:it are not bad, or we don't judge them. I think most people
Melinda Lee:want to avoid it. Right? We don't want to lean into it. So
Melinda Lee:it's okay to give it some time to lean into that emotion. That
Melinda Lee:if we're if we're nervous, five or 10 minutes before your
Melinda Lee:presentation, lean into it, going knowledge that emotion, if
Melinda Lee:you're feeling concerned about something worried about
Melinda Lee:something. Now, the key is we don't you know, most people may
Melinda Lee:stay there for too long. So then if that's the case, then you
Melinda Lee:might want to seek some help write it, but if you go into it
Melinda Lee:for a bit and lean into it and find that get curious, what do
Melinda Lee:you you know, nervous about and write it out, it actually starts
Melinda Lee:to help, it starts to defuse some of the nerves versus
Melinda Lee:ignoring it. Like what you did, right, Brandon, you're here,
Melinda Lee:you're doing this and then we're leaning into it versus avoiding
Melinda Lee:it. Right? Avoiding. avoiding
Brandon Talagtag:you, knowing the importance of the
Brandon Talagtag:conversation as well. So for me, for example, when Black Friday
Brandon Talagtag:or any important, you know, days come and there needs to be a
Brandon Talagtag:conversation to the team, to help them to better them helps
Brandon Talagtag:you know, myself, that helps making sure everyone is on the
Brandon Talagtag:same page. Comfortable. That that pushes me to, to make sure
Brandon Talagtag:this conversation has to be done. I may be nervous, or maybe
Brandon Talagtag:a little stressed out. But at the end of the day, this has to
Brandon Talagtag:get done to make sure that everyone is on the same page.
Brandon Talagtag:And everyone's secure, safe, comfortable.
Melinda Lee:I love that. I love that. Yeah. So once you've
Melinda Lee:addressed the nerves, then you when you go into what is my
Melinda Lee:reason for being what is my reason for doing this, whether
Melinda Lee:it's a conversation with your team, or whether it's a firm
Melinda Lee:wide presentation, then you say your your what is my reason for
Melinda Lee:doing this, and whether it's, I just have a drive to support the
Melinda Lee:vision of the firm. But you know, transition into that
Melinda Lee:feeling of I'm so passionate about, you know, my leadership
Melinda Lee:and who I am and speaking from that place, and then and then so
Melinda Lee:having some special time to recall that at least five
Melinda Lee:minutes and actually feel it that will help people that will
Melinda Lee:help people to feel more that will help you to feel what it is
Melinda Lee:that you want to feel like you want to feel courage or
Melinda Lee:confident you feel it and then it'll help you actually manifest
Melinda Lee:that in your presentation. Versus um, what am I gonna say?
Melinda Lee:And then have it memorised? Or you know, what is my script?
Melinda Lee:That's a different energy. Oh my gosh, I better be sure I know
Melinda Lee:all my stuff. And then that's a different announced the, you
Melinda Lee:know, just having that awareness of where your energy that before
Melinda Lee:the presentation. Yes, right. Yeah. And so with your point is,
Melinda Lee:Hey, I am so passionate about helping my team. I'm so
Melinda Lee:passionate about getting this information out. Right and then
Melinda Lee:and then embodying that passion.
Brandon Talagtag:Yes, definitely. Yeah.
Melinda Lee:Awesome. Thank you, Brandon. And so what do you have
Melinda Lee:any what like 10 pips or last, what is your tip that you want
Melinda Lee:to share for managers out there right now who are starting to
Melinda Lee:form their team.
Brandon Talagtag:Um, for, for me, it's always good to build
Brandon Talagtag:interpersonal skills. And that's what pushed me through my eight
Brandon Talagtag:years of retail. I don't think I could have done it by myself. I
Brandon Talagtag:know a lot of managers that like to work without involving their
Brandon Talagtag:team kind of just using them as workers, not really knowing what
Brandon Talagtag:their day to day affairs are not knowing what goes on throughout
Brandon Talagtag:their life. Learn I more about my team helped build a bigger
Brandon Talagtag:relationship with my team, obviously, of course, but it
Brandon Talagtag:just made everything so much easier. And at the end of the
Brandon Talagtag:day, we're where people, we enjoy having those
Brandon Talagtag:relationships. And that's what pushes you through any
Brandon Talagtag:workplace. Right? You can't do it by yourself. Love,
Brandon Talagtag:relationships pushes you through and it makes everything so much
Brandon Talagtag:better.
Melinda Lee:Yeah, that's a sign of a true leader. I take the
Melinda Lee:time to get to know every single person on your team. So that
Melinda Lee:when you know the times are tough, and you know they're
Melinda Lee:coming, then it makes it easier for you to move through all of
Melinda Lee:the challenges, because you have that bond and a connection with
Melinda Lee:the team members. Yes, definitely. Awesome. Thank you
Melinda Lee:so much, Brandon. I appreciate your time. And I thank you for
Melinda Lee:being on the show and and good luck in your endeavours and
Melinda Lee:continuing to rise.
Brandon Talagtag:Thank you, thank you for the conversation
Brandon Talagtag:today. And thank you for reaching out.
Melinda Lee:Yeah, it's no problem. Take care. See you all
Melinda Lee:next time to the next on the next episode.
