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The MARKETING EXPEDITION that uses storytelling to build your brand and bottom-line. In Episode 38 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show (links in the comments). People, brands and companies need to be found, known and trusted. Its noisy out there on traditional media, social media and now artificial intelligence. HUMAN INTELLIGENCE (HI) is needed to “measure what you treasure and automate what you hate”. - CLIENT WINS with HEROIC STORY and JOURNEY. Content creation for web, social and video that produces real results.
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About the guest – Rhea Allen (Ray of Sunshine is Shining Brightly)
Rhea Allen, President/CEO of Peppershock Media (est. 2003), is known for her story-telling passion and extreme diligence in obtaining effective media campaign results by planning and crafting relevant and compelling messaging. Also, an in-demand integrative marketing consultant, national presenter and keynote speaker, Rhea emphasizes team building and creating a culture where she and her team can carry out superb work for their loyal Peppershock clients.
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Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.
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Hello, it's Howard Brown it's the Shining Brightly
Howard Brown:Show the maestro with the mic. We are shining so brightly
Howard Brown:today. I have an amazing guests because our guests just help,
Howard Brown:motivate, educate and inspire. And welcome Rhea Allen from
Howard Brown:pepper shock media. How are you today?
Rhea Allen:I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. Our
Rhea Allen:this is gonna be awesome.
Howard Brown:This is so exciting. I so I'm going to tell
Howard Brown:you about Rhea in a second. But she lives out in Nampa, Idaho
Howard Brown:and my daughter's out in Missoula within shouting
Howard Brown:distance. So I am learning about that part of the country. It is
Howard Brown:so gorgeous. It is big sky, add some potatoes for Idaho. Add
Howard Brown:blue turf for Boise State. It's cool. I want to tell you I'm a
Howard Brown:big fan. Now for a guy that grew up on the East Coast and lived
Howard Brown:in California for a long time. So well, let me tell you about
Howard Brown:Rhea. So Rhea Allen is the president and CEO and co founder
Howard Brown:of pepper shock media. They established this in 2003. So
Howard Brown:she's been a woman entrepreneur for over 20 years. And there's a
Howard Brown:little something about that 20 years we're going to share a
Howard Brown:little bit later. She's known for her storytelling, passion,
Howard Brown:extreme diligence and obtaining effective media campaign
Howard Brown:results. She plans and craft relevant compelling messaging,
Howard Brown:very important to get your message heard, right? If if
Howard Brown:you're talking in in the forest, and the tree falls, no one hears
Howard Brown:it. Right. So also you're very prestigious marketing
Howard Brown:consultant, speaker presenter, you are an adjunct professor at
Howard Brown:Boise State University for marketing. You host a very
Howard Brown:popular podcast, I was on it. I'm excited for that episode.
Howard Brown:And it's got a huge ranking and following. So very excited about
Howard Brown:that. And you emphasise team building, creating a culture
Howard Brown:that of empowerment, and produce superb work for your clients
Howard Brown:time and time and time again, again, Rhea, thank you welcome.
Howard Brown:Fill in some of the blanks. Where did I miss especially the
Howard Brown:20 year part? And then we'll get jumping in.
Rhea Allen:So I'll tell you first, people sometimes think of
Rhea Allen:my name because it's spelled weird it's ray of sunshine. So
Rhea Allen:that's why Tom so shine brightly ray of sunshine. So there you
Rhea Allen:go. There's a way to know my name. And actually, I always
Rhea Allen:know when people don't necessarily know me right off
Rhea Allen:the bat. There's like, they say it's Rhea. They're like, I don't
Rhea Allen:know, maybe I'll take a message for and then I can see who it
Rhea Allen:is. But yeah, so yeah, I mean, the biocat It says a lot of it.
Rhea Allen:i Yeah, I've been around doing this business for 20 years and
Rhea Allen:worked with all of our staff, our community, our crew and, and
Rhea Allen:pepper shock media. And we started also the marketing
Rhea Allen:expedition community to help those who maybe you know, aren't
Rhea Allen:ready for an agency yet. Or maybe they want to learn a
Rhea Allen:little bit more alongside us for our clients as well. So yeah,
Rhea Allen:that's kind of a that and then I have two boys as well. Two
Rhea Allen:teenagers. So that's me. What one football scholarship. We
Rhea Allen:heard comment yesterday. And then 20 years in business, but
Rhea Allen:20 years. Married to to my coach, my co founder, Drew and
Rhea Allen:I, we yeah, we started the business. Couple months after we
Rhea Allen:got married. So yep, we've been at it for 20 years in marriage
Rhea Allen:in 20 years at pepper shock. And, yeah, so it's been a while
Rhea Allen:but we're gonna celebrate, we're gonna go to Hawaii for the first
Rhea Allen:time. We're gonna go to Maui. I've never been to life. So I'm
Rhea Allen:really excited about that, you know, we're celebrating the
Rhea Allen:graduation, the, you know, the kid turning 18 that the 20 year
Rhea Allen:wedding anniversary, the 20 years in business, so we're
Rhea Allen:just, you know, taking it one big trip, the younger kid, we
Rhea Allen:decided it's his half birthday, so he can, you know, go along
Rhea Allen:for the ride, too.
Howard Brown:Oh, my God, life is happening for you. And
Howard Brown:congratulations on that. 20 years is amazing. Alright, so I
Howard Brown:gotta ask you tell us something. I know you weren't on a big trip
Howard Brown:halfway around the world share with that. Let's hear what's
Howard Brown:happening. Where do you go?
Rhea Allen:In February, I was asked to go to Saudi Arabia,
Rhea Allen:Riyadh, and to the big leap Technology Conference and speak
Rhea Allen:on the creative economy stage. And so yeah, I got to go to
Rhea Allen:Saudi Arabia. I went by myself because my husband is going
Rhea Allen:through the Executive MBA programme, and it was right in
Rhea Allen:the middle of when he was doing all of his classwork. So I went
Rhea Allen:on my own and had a wonderful time. I learned a lot from other
Rhea Allen:speakers, and then shared knowledge on a lot of different
Rhea Allen:topics that I tend to talk about, which is marketing and
Rhea Allen:branding and digital space. And now AI, so it was amazing.
Howard Brown:I bet it was so cool. And did you go to Dubai or
Howard Brown:Abu Dhabi or both? Well,
Rhea Allen:I went through Dubai and then had a layover there and
Rhea Allen:then to Riyadh. Yeah, by the time I was done, I think it was
Rhea Allen:hours of flights. Yeah, and like layovers and everything.
Howard Brown:Okay, so you, you actually were in Saudi Arabia in
Howard Brown:Riyadh.
Rhea Allen:Yeah. Yeah.
Howard Brown:Just amazing what you're learning see seeing
Howard Brown:another whole culture and country and
Rhea Allen:and I took a tour after I was done speaking, I had
Rhea Allen:a couple of days left to go tour the country side and learn and,
Rhea Allen:you know, I didn't have to wear anything over my head, I just
Rhea Allen:had to make sure I covered my shoulders and my knees and
Rhea Allen:respect, you know, their culture, but ya know, her job,
Rhea Allen:just be modest. Yeah, you gotta raise culture. So I'm so glad
Rhea Allen:what oh, just an amazing trip, just incredible to be, you know,
Rhea Allen:gone over there to speak and to say your message and to learn
Rhea Allen:about all that. So thank you for sharing that. That's amazing. So
Rhea Allen:I want to talk about your brand about a marketing expedition
Rhea Allen:because that's what you take your clients through, and you
Rhea Allen:take people through, I love one of your tagline is that you have
Rhea Allen:fortune Nanda fortune, you know, 101,000 mean, people can start
Rhea Allen:with you, or they're already marketing, they can join you as
Rhea Allen:well.
Howard Brown:So take me through your marketing expedition, your,
Howard Brown:your brand, and also the community associated with that.
Rhea Allen:Well, I've been podcasting for quite a while
Rhea Allen:just off and on. And then, you know, the pandemic hit, and we
Rhea Allen:started seeing more people watching and listening. And I
Rhea Allen:thought the exact opposite. I'm like, Well, no one's gonna
Rhea Allen:commute anymore. They're only commuting from their couch to
Rhea Allen:their kitchen, right. So they're not commuting. But it started to
Rhea Allen:increase the listens. And the downloads are increasing the
Rhea Allen:subscriptions were listening. So we decided to move it on a
Rhea Allen:regular ongoing basis, and take people on the marketing
Rhea Allen:expedition. And then we also built the marketing expedition
Rhea Allen:community. And the reason for that is a couple reasons. Hyper
Rhea Allen:shock media, we're an agency, we're full service, we do a lot
Rhea Allen:of things for our clients. But we started seeing that not
Rhea Allen:everybody could necessarily afford what we do for them, but
Rhea Allen:we needed to solve some answers for them, because they either
Rhea Allen:we're doing it themselves of DIY are done with you or done for
Rhea Allen:you. And some of our clients during that time, the pandemic
Rhea Allen:was making it a little difficult for them to, you know, either be
Rhea Allen:done with you or done for you. So we created the community
Rhea Allen:using a lot of the knowledge and expertise and marketing journeys
Rhea Allen:that we've all gone on, and share all kinds of trainings and
Rhea Allen:Downloadables and, and blog articles, articles that we post
Rhea Allen:and so people now can have access to this and have agency
Rhea Allen:you know, knowledge that they can subscribe to, and, and all
Rhea Allen:the latest and greatest. I'm always constantly interviewing
Rhea Allen:and talking to people and and, you know, speaking on stages, a
Rhea Allen:lot of that's recorded in there for people to understand what is
Rhea Allen:the latest trends and tips and information. And then of course,
Rhea Allen:the podcasts every week, we're interviewing industry experts,
Rhea Allen:we industry, you know, we interviewed Howard and other
Rhea Allen:entrepreneurs and authors. And, you know, we go on an expedition
Rhea Allen:a marketing expedition together and talk about the different
Rhea Allen:tactics and tools that work for people. And yeah, it's
Rhea Allen:absolutely growing or top 5% most popular podcast globally,
Rhea Allen:which is really cool. I never in my wildest imagination would
Rhea Allen:know that that would be something that people would want
Rhea Allen:and need. And it's all about, you know, building your brand
Rhea Allen:and your bottom line and continuing to grow and scale
Rhea Allen:your business. And using maybe some cost effective ways or, you
Rhea Allen:know, just effective efficiency. And being able to continue to,
Rhea Allen:you know, grow the business in a way that's not going to waste
Rhea Allen:your money.
Howard Brown:I will tell you that building your brand, so
Howard Brown:that people can find you know, what you do understand you and
Howard Brown:trust you does help your bottom line and that's exactly what you
Howard Brown:offer. I want to say for those that are listening, there is a
Howard Brown:big giant orangish butterfly over his head. And I always
Howard Brown:think about that the butterfly starts as a caterpillar, it may
Howard Brown:not be so pretty, right. But eventually it gets unstuck or
Howard Brown:changes to a beautiful butterfly to spread their wings. And and I
Howard Brown:think that's the journey that you take people on, whether it
Howard Brown:being a website, whether it be video, all things digital, and
Howard Brown:quite frankly, I am so excited for your podcast with me to drop
Howard Brown:because I'm gonna hit a whole new space because you're so
Howard Brown:popular and I want to get where you are up to the up the
Howard Brown:rankings on the podcasting. So maybe this episode will tag
Howard Brown:along with it as well. So I want to ask a question and this will
Howard Brown:be a little bit more detailed discussion. The big shiny toy
Howard Brown:now is artificial intelligence. And I gotta tell you that
Howard Brown:there's a lot of misperception there's a lot of glare glory on
Howard Brown:this thing. And where are you at with artificial intelligence in
Howard Brown:part of the digital scheme and how you're sharing that with
Howard Brown:your clients and making the move through that because it is
Howard Brown:important I think it's going to have some some effects but not
Howard Brown:all positive yet but I think there's there's got to be a
Howard Brown:space for it right in your in your clients and your plans. So
Howard Brown:take take us through thinking there?
Rhea Allen:Well, I think if you are afraid to tap into what
Rhea Allen:artificial intelligence can do for you, I would say the first
Rhea Allen:thing to do is just test it out, go to chat GPT there's, you
Rhea Allen:know, Bard, and there's several others. And then there's 175
Rhea Allen:different tools that I just researched to say, you know, AI
Rhea Allen:tools for creatives is what I typed in. And I came up with 175
Rhea Allen:different tools that you can use, that are sampling or
Rhea Allen:creating new images based on other images that you're using.
Rhea Allen:And then with the copywriting, it's a great idea generator. And
Rhea Allen:you know, I say that you can use AI, but it still takes a chai,
Rhea Allen:an H, I say is human intelligence, right, you have to
Rhea Allen:still have the human input in order to utilise artificial
Rhea Allen:intelligence. Remember, it is artificial, right? It's not
Rhea Allen:necessarily what you would want to use 100%. But there are so
Rhea Allen:many different ways to go about it and measuring and I always
Rhea Allen:say measure what you treasure, automate what you hate, right
Rhea Allen:there is your what you treasure dump, what you don't automate
Rhea Allen:what you hate, and you utilising AI can help you in in a lot of
Rhea Allen:different ways to measure some of the things that you're doing
Rhea Allen:the results that you're tracking, and being able to have
Rhea Allen:data that can be then, you know, use in a way that can help you
Rhea Allen:make some good decisions. So there's lots of different tools
Rhea Allen:that you can now incorporate into your process. And when we
Rhea Allen:first started, you know, playing around with it a couple years
Rhea Allen:ago, there was a tool and my copywriter was like, Oh my gosh,
Rhea Allen:am I going to lose my job and like, No, you're just going to
Rhea Allen:enhance, and you're going to have these tools to help you
Rhea Allen:even do more. And honestly, it's a great idea generator, if you
Rhea Allen:type in, you know, ideas about selling shoes, I don't know,
Rhea Allen:whatever, it is gonna spit out a whole bunch of different ideas,
Rhea Allen:and some of them are going to be junk, right? They're not going
Rhea Allen:to always give you what you want. But it might it might fuel
Rhea Allen:some other ideas that you could have. And you know, if you if
Rhea Allen:you look at it and play with it, you can have it write your bio,
Rhea Allen:if it if it knows and can you know know enough about you from
Rhea Allen:where you're from? I tried it I wrote write a bio for Rhea
Rhea Allen:Allen. Well, I didn't quite know who Rhea was. So if you have to
Rhea Allen:write a bio for Rhea Allen pepper shock media, from Nampa,
Rhea Allen:Idaho, and it started pulling in things and kind of it did a
Rhea Allen:pretty good decent job. But it also said some weird stuff that
Rhea Allen:I was like, I've never done that before. I don't know what that
Rhea Allen:What are you talking about? But it kind of reworded some of the
Rhea Allen:things and made it like, oh my gosh, that's a really great way
Rhea Allen:to put it, I'm probably going to tweak it a little bit more. But
Rhea Allen:yeah, but the big question, right, the plagiarism and the
Rhea Allen:you know, copying and sampling is the information, you got to
Rhea Allen:fact check it. I also teach. I'm an adjunct professor of
Rhea Allen:marketing at Boise State. And the big thing that was, you
Rhea Allen:know, the topic of conversation with all of the other professors
Rhea Allen:is, how do we detect if they're plagiarising? Or if they're
Rhea Allen:using AI to continue to do? And my thought is, you know, what,
Rhea Allen:this next generation, they're going to be infiltrated with AI
Rhea Allen:regardless. So how do we embrace it, use it to our advantage, but
Rhea Allen:also make sure that you know, they have their own thoughts and
Rhea Allen:ideas. So some of the things that I've been able to do when I
Rhea Allen:have the my students do journal entries, I asked them specific
Rhea Allen:examples of things that we talked about in class, tell me
Rhea Allen:how that made you feel? Or what do you think about, you know,
Rhea Allen:XYZ that we talked about in class, because AI is not going
Rhea Allen:to be able to generate anything about it, because it's your
Rhea Allen:feelings? Or it's your, you know, it's your reaction? It's
Rhea Allen:your thoughts, it's your opinions? Well, artificial
Rhea Allen:intelligence can't have your thoughts. So there's kind of
Rhea Allen:ways that we're working around it. But I actually gave my
Rhea Allen:students an assignment to write an essay on their own about a
Rhea Allen:topic. And then now go and plug in that topic into AI, and see
Rhea Allen:and compare the difference and how, and you can definitely tell
Rhea Allen:what their own versus what the, you know what the AI tool did,
Rhea Allen:because it's very general, it's very broad, it's not as detailed
Rhea Allen:as what you can do yourself. So that's my solution to making
Rhea Allen:sure that we're not doing something that we shouldn't be
Rhea Allen:doing is allow them to do it when you want them to write I
Rhea Allen:mean, allow them to understand and use the tools to their
Rhea Allen:advantage. So that's my solution. We'll see how all
Rhea Allen:works out. Because who knows there's there's not yet been a
Rhea Allen:court case of you know, plagiarism or copywriting just
Rhea Allen:yet that's brought to that I know of anyway, but it'll be
Rhea Allen:really interesting to see what happens if something like that
Rhea Allen:does. One of the speakers at the LEAP Technology Conference. She
Rhea Allen:spoke she's from Shutterstock. She's the she's a she's got her
Rhea Allen:doctorate, and she's the head of AI at Shutterstock and
Rhea Allen:Shutterstock, I should say, and they won the ethics of
Rhea Allen:conversation was kind of the intersection between how do you
Rhea Allen:pay the content creators who AI then samples pieces and parts of
Rhea Allen:their photos, right, and then to create a new image. So now
Rhea Allen:they're trying their best to track that and be able to give
Rhea Allen:money to the creator of the original when AI is sampling
Rhea Allen:something of theirs, you know, you might have, you know, hot
Rhea Allen:dog in one picture and, and a beautiful sunset and another
Rhea Allen:picture and you have, you know, multiple, like, maybe a dog from
Rhea Allen:another picture. And then they all come together, and they're
Rhea Allen:sampled of each of those. So each of those creators should
Rhea Allen:get paid. Right,
Howard Brown:I have to tell you, my daughter just graduated
Howard Brown:University of Michigan. And so I was thinking about that, and you
Howard Brown:put on your Professor Allen hat, and I love the way that you
Howard Brown:actually have them. Embrace the tool that grow up digital, and
Howard Brown:you said it best the human intelligence piece, you make
Howard Brown:them include that. So that's really important for the
Howard Brown:students. But I think it's also important for your clients as
Howard Brown:well, to be able to embrace it now. I did I put in Howard brown
Howard Brown:shining brightly, it was about 85%. Correct. And I fix it, I
Howard Brown:fixed it. And I published it, you know, just to say that I got
Howard Brown:GBT did for me. And you know, it's not accurate. I think what
Howard Brown:it does is, it helps with some ideation, as long as you
Howard Brown:understand that it is not perfect. I know, it's a learning
Howard Brown:system. But it's here, it's today. And I think you addressed
Howard Brown:that perfectly with your students. So take me through,
Howard Brown:just, you know, give give me a smaller client win and a bigger
Howard Brown:client win, just without naming the client, but kinda, you know,
Howard Brown:that showcases, with what pepper shock does, well, I have a
Howard Brown:client of mine that we're recently going to work with,
Howard Brown:again, we started them, we got them launched, we got them up
Howard Brown:and going when they have their first round of seed money. And
Howard Brown:that was our goal, that was the only thing that we were hired to
Howard Brown:do to get their website up, get their, you know, logo branding,
Howard Brown:get them, you know, listed and everything get their SEO going,
Howard Brown:you know, it was a specific length of contract. And they've
Howard Brown:been going since in 2017, I believe 18 ish. I don't know,
Howard Brown:every year kind of blends together. But that's about what
Howard Brown:we're thinking. And they're doing well, they're, you know,
Howard Brown:expanding their services, a software company, and I actually
Howard Brown:met with them again, they're ready to do more with us. So
Howard Brown:they've grown over time. And now they're ready to actually, you
Howard Brown:know, kind of take that next level with us to be able to help
Howard Brown:them grow again and do more. And now it's not just launching
Howard Brown:them. But now it's, it's not only maintaining them, but it's
Howard Brown:to scale them and continue to help them build their brand and
Howard Brown:their bottom line. So I'm really excited about this client,
Howard Brown:because they, it's, I love it when clients come back to us,
Howard Brown:right, it would get them going. And that's the only purpose to
Howard Brown:start. And then they get to come back because they've done well
Howard Brown:with what we've launched them on. So that's definitely a win.
Howard Brown:I love that when that happens. And you know, they want to come
Howard Brown:back because they know they can trust what we can do for them
Howard Brown:and super excited about it.
Howard Brown:They made it through COVID. And now they're ready to expand. And
Howard Brown:there's so many ways to expand via social and video today. So
Howard Brown:to get and broaden their reach. So it's important.
Rhea Allen:So yeah, it's time to tell the heroic story on
Rhea Allen:their website, we want to do a video, have some client
Rhea Allen:testimonials helped share, you know, the pain points of why
Rhea Allen:people would use their software and so and then kind of give
Rhea Allen:some examples and how it helps and then right they become their
Rhea Allen:own hero when they buy the software because now it's gonna
Rhea Allen:be making their life so much better. So we love to do those
Rhea Allen:types of, you know, explainer videos or the hero's journey,
Rhea Allen:right? It's a it's a great way to share that in and not be
Rhea Allen:salesy too much salesy is kind of not what people want to hear.
Rhea Allen:So, if you can create and capture story and tell the
Rhea Allen:story, then you're going to be a lot better off and having that
Rhea Allen:on your website on your socials. All the things and video
Rhea Allen:production is a lot of what we do in in, you know, what we
Rhea Allen:create in content for our clients and design? So,
Rhea Allen:absolutely, I'm excited about them.
Howard Brown:Yeah, no, that's great. So that the fact that
Howard Brown:they repeat, coming back to you after a first phase and now a
Howard Brown:second phase to grow and expand, that's what it's about. And
Howard Brown:that's that's what makes you able to get a good client
Howard Brown:reference but also produce real results for them. And so shaping
Howard Brown:their brand and and their bottom line which which is so
Howard Brown:important. Well, let me tell you this, we hit it hard today. So
Howard Brown:we're actually going to start something called the shining
Howard Brown:brightly spotlight. It's shine on RHea Okay, Hey, I'm shining
Howard Brown:it back on you would my glasses, okay, and I want you to tell
Howard Brown:people how it's best to get a hold of you. Also, I think you
Howard Brown:have a giveaway. And give me some final comments to wrap up
Howard Brown:the show.
Rhea Allen:Absolutely. So really, it's two things, I would
Rhea Allen:encourage people to listen to the podcast, the marketing
Rhea Allen:expedition podcast that's powered by pepper shock media
Rhea Allen:hosted by me. And then, so you can find the podcasts on any
Rhea Allen:platform out there, Spotify, Pandora, all of them. And then
Rhea Allen:you can visit pepper shock.com to do the creative or marketing
Rhea Allen:services. And then I would invite you to go to the
Rhea Allen:marketing expedition.com. And I had to put the word that in
Rhea Allen:there. So don't forget that we don't own the other URL, but
Rhea Allen:then marketing expedition.com and join the community and the
Rhea Allen:first month is free on me by using the promo code month one
Rhea Allen:and that's the number one month one. And you can sign up and
Rhea Allen:join us in the community and have access to webinar training
Rhea Allen:videos, all the downloadables that you need, if there's
Rhea Allen:specific topics that you want me to cover, I either can do it, or
Rhea Allen:I find somebody in our industry that knows even more than I do,
Rhea Allen:which then I get to learn by interviewing them and putting
Rhea Allen:them in side the community. And we have a Facebook group, the
Rhea Allen:marketing expedition members group, you're free to join that
Rhea Allen:group. And then also, I'm on all the social media channels and
Rhea Allen:LinkedIn and all the places so you can follow me there. And
Rhea Allen:then last comments, I would just say, after all of the things
Rhea Allen:that we talked about, the most important thing that you can do
Rhea Allen:in your business is to measure what you treasure, dump what you
Rhea Allen:don't, and automate what you hate.
Howard Brown:I love it. What are those sound bites, oh my
Howard Brown:god, we're going to clip those, like, so we'll make sure that
Howard Brown:the podcast, the Web site, the socials and the promo code,
Howard Brown:that's a nice offer to come check you out. It's a try before
Howard Brown:you buy and to check out all the resources that you have. So this
Howard Brown:is great. I love being useful for my audience that they can
Howard Brown:actually jump in and and help you know, jumpstart or get into,
Howard Brown:you know, the branding and the marketing, you know, help
Howard Brown:themselves grow and things like that. So, wow, what a great
Howard Brown:show. We hit it hard. You can find me at shiningbrightly.com
Howard Brown:my speaking the podcast that book. And also, there's some
Howard Brown:downloads on survivorship mentorship, which is leadership
Howard Brown:and entrepreneurship and interfaith stuff. So I'm very
Howard Brown:interactive. So come Come find me here and listen to this. And
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Howard Brown:launches very soon. So again, thanks for being on the shining,
Howard Brown:brightly show. Ray. I love it. It was great. Very informative,
Howard Brown:and I think helpful for for everyone. So thanks. And also
Howard Brown:congratulations 20 years for the business and on your wedding anniversary.
Rhea Allen:Yeah, thank you.
Howard Brown:Enjoy Hawaii when you go,
Rhea Allen:Oh, I can't wait.
Howard Brown:So. Remember, shining brightly just a little
Howard Brown:bit each day for ourselves for others and our communities does
Howard Brown:make the world a better place. Thanks for watching and listening
