Healing Touch: A Conversation with Guy & Irene Siverson of Graceful Touch Massage

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Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of

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help without sight with your host Saylor Cooper

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and co host Tyler Evans.

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Yes, Episode 52. Now we have another spectacular

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guests thanks to Kevin Higgins. I don't know where he's getting

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us. But he sent us incredible guy single thank him for that.

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So, this is episode 52 Healing Touch A Conversation with Guy &

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Irene Siverson of graceful touch massage. So to sum up,

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okay. In this enriching episode, we sit down with a Guy and Irene

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except his wife is not here. We sit down guy and I wouldn't see

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we've seen the heart and soul behind place for touch massage

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in Rapid City, South Dakota, with a mission to connect with

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people's hearts through professional massage therapy.

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The couple has called a beautiful niche in the wellness

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industry, garnering over 70 garnering over 75 star reviews

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on Google. Join us as we delve into the journey of fostering a

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healthy and stronger community for the range of therapeutic

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services, including deep tissue Swedish and immediate Muscle

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Therapy are offered at friendly prices. Discover how they're

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helping individuals from various professionals, including

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involve into a healthier, happier version of themselves

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and guiding our lives savers in a dynamic deal in the world

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therapeutic massage. Have a proud founders of graceful touch

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massage. Both graduates of the Black Hills School of Massage

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and Hermoza they have dedicated themselves to connecting with

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people on a personal level. Other than more offering more

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than a personal service, like a gateway to a healthier

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lifestyle, a blissful lifestyle, we should say. The journey began

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with a simple yet profound mission to touch people's hearts

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through professional massage therapy. This heartfelt approach

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has resonated with many earning them a stellar reputation with

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many five star reviews on Google. So give it up. For guy

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Siverson . How you doing?

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Good doing really good doing really good. I'd like

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to just make a slight correction on what you said. You said 75,

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five star reviews. And that would be something cool.

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Came up with you. That's what your bio was in

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there. So

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yeah, we actually have more than 405 star reviews

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on Google in the last five years.

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Yay.

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That's crushing it. Now. She's here with me in

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spirit. She's not here on camera. I'm I'm kind of the

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person that's behind that. I'm the mouth. She's the technical.

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So

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there we go. Yeah, it takes a team. It takes

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a team. There we go. Oh, yeah.

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Cool. Absolutely.

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So let's start. What got yelling to massage

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therapy because I'm hopeful without sight. We feature people

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overcoming challenges in life and now live a life full of

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bliss, reigning supreme, I'm sure you all had challenges.

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What got?

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Absolutely. So when we started heading this

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direction, I was in a failed company. I had owned a failed

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company that in your readout for what you want here on this

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broadcast. I wanted to be able to deliver that because we as a

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company failed, so did my spirits, shall we say? So did my

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energy I became suicidally depressed. Ah, I was like, you

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know, I'm just done with this thing called life. And yet, and

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at that point, you know, the lowest level of where we were.

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We were living in six feet of snow. Negative 20 degree below

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weather in a place called St. Mary's, Idaho. Why do I tell you

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all that while our house was a teepee?

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Yeah, I'm actually going to Idaho in a

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week. Have you been to Sandali?

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Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm going in live in

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a TPU.

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That's awesome.

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Six feet of snow, negative 20 suicidally depressed

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in a teepee. And we decided that we needed to make a change. With

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a failed company that we had, we were all out of money. We had

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none of that.

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You know, right, right?

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Yeah, me and my wife. So what are we gonna do?

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Well, we contacted a School of Massage in Hermosa, who happens

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to be part of our church and said we want to she Irene wanted

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to come and do massage. I didn't want to do massage. Irene had

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been told long time before that she'd be an excellent person at

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massage. But she knew she could never do it because she has

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dyslexia. Ah, so she never pursued that. I had no interest

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in it. I'm more of a communicator. I'm psychology and

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communication. I'm soft sciences. I'm not hard sciences.

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Anatomy, physiology, pathology, kinesiology? No, thank you all.

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And yeah, we called up and we said that she wanted to come to

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school. We call the very next day, the very next day. And we

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said, we're not coming. You want money in order for us to go

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through your programme and we are flat out of that. We are not

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going to be coming. They asked us to do one thing. They asked

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us to pray and just see what would happen. One week later, we

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get a call from a friend. Friend wants us to come for dinner. We

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come over for dinner. The friend says we understand your

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situation and how you got here. We understand the dynamics. We

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want to help. We're going to pay for Irene schooling. Amen. There

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you go. There you go. Absolutely. Called the school

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back to school offered the possibility of both of us going

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to school for just about the same cost as what she was going

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to school. Alright, we talked to our donors, and we agreed we

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would both go to school. Got on campus. On campus, the science

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teacher comes up to me and says, I'm really concerned about your

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wife. And I said, Why are you concerned about my why? And he

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said, because she's got dyslexia. I don't think she can

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pass my tests are my class. And I'd say you are absolutely

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right. She's got dyslexia. She's also got purpose. She's also got

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passion. She's also got pursuit, you will have no trouble with my

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wife. But I guarantee you one thing, you do have trouble in

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your in your class. I've never been to his class. How did I

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know that he had trouble in his labs. He said, Well, what's my

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trouble? I said, Well, sir, you're looking at it. Because

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unlike my wife, who has the purpose, who has the passion,

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who has the pursuit, I have none of that. I have none of that.

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And you're going to help me pass your tests and your class. I

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just want to wish you good luck ahead of time. Now before I go

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on, do you have any questions for me?

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Wow. That's it's crazy. So you even detected that

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he will have trouble. He had trouble I

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knew I would. I didn't have any interest in hard

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sciences. Right. That's a guy.

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Don't get me cry because that's a powerful story.

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Oh, we're just getting started

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with me a tie Tyler on an incredible journey.

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And we think through very similar challenges. We're just

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gonna see what both glide and we've had challenges and it's

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only thanks to some generous dusters

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to really helped us awesome

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day and we can't wait to see what's ahead a guy.

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My best friends.

Guy Siverson: 00:09:05

Well, let's keep the ball rolling. Unless,

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Matthew, do you have any question for me?

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So yeah, I remember when I was younger, I wanted to

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be Emma Seuss. And there's times where I think you know, because,

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you know, I owe my sister in law. I live with her. She always

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likes me to massage her, you know, like the back and stuff.

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And, like, she's, you know, she's like, man, you didn't even

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go to massage school and you're good at this. I'm like, Oh,

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thank you. A lot of people have the concept. You have to go to

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massage school to get to be able to Seuss. That is true, right?

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You have really depends on what state you live

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in. Different states have different regulations. Now.

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You're gonna get paid for it. Technically, you really should

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go to school, but there are blind massage therapists out

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there.

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Oh, I know there are there was a movie I watched

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actually called at first sight with Val Kilmer and Mira

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Sorvino. You don't know if you've heard of that movie I

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haven't. He's a misuse. Of course. He's blind. Yeah, he

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actually gets infatuated with it. And then of course, he gains

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a sight through surgery and hates seeing and then he wants

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goes blind again. So yeah,

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there are the lameness uses. There are,

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there are absolutely I

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don't have to do that. Shall we continue forward?

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Yes. So that's continued for? Yes. Awesome.

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So about halfway through school. God talks to me.

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And he tells me to go look for work. Well, I understand that

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God doesn't necessarily understand how all the dynamics

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work down here on Earth. So I was there to help him out. I

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advised him that there is not a possibility that anyone anywhere

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is going to hire someone who was halfway graduated. So there's

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absolutely no reason for me to look for work. To which he

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responds back, look for work. I go out onto indeed.com. And I

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find on indeed.com. A, the first reference I find is a company

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that will look for clients for you and you pay them based on

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the clients that they send you.

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I called them up.

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We had a great conversation. Until they asked a

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very bad question. The question had, like, where's your office?

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Well, remember, I'm broke. I'm also a student.

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And the closest area where a good office would be is 45

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minutes away. And I said, Well, if you don't have an office,

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because I didn't have an office, we can help you. So I said,

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Alright, send me your paperwork, send me the contract. I will

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sign your contract. And I will have an office in two weeks. I

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don't know where about it, where it how it works where you guys

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are. But here in Rapid City, how many offices do you think are

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available for $0? To Rent monthly? Yeah. Exactly. Well,

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that's what I was gonna, that's what we were gonna find. So I

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turned to God, and I said, Look, you brought us here to South

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Dakota, a place I would never live. I remember being in

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Spokane, Washington and hearing on the radio. Today in South

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Dakota, it will be negative 45. And I was really glad I didn't

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live there. Well, now I do. Oh, yeah. And so, two weeks, about a

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week later, we go to a chair massage outing at the Tyrian

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massage outing. There's what I call a crazy water lady. Guess

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what the crazy water lady wanted to talk about? Crazy water lady

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want to talk about water. I didn't want to talk about water.

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When talking about massage. She wanted to talk about water. I

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didn't want to talk about water. I want to talk about massage.

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Then I came up with an idea. I would ask for her business card.

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She would think she had one. And she'd leave me alone. It worked

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like a charm. And then I'm there going through paperwork and

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whatnot. Guess what surfaces but her business, Kurt? Wow. God

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tells me at that point, I'll let you back in and just minute God

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tells me at that point. Call her. Well, I need to help God

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out again. Because I needed to let him know I don't do flat

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states and shattering Nebraska is flat. I'm from the mountains.

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I like my mountains.

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Yeah, yeah. You like the mountains? Oh,

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absolutely.

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You know, it's interesting. What?

Tyler Evans: 00:14:04

I need to help God out. You know, he needs to help

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you out.

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Of course, but do we get in that attitude?

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Sometimes when we

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think about the characters like even from, you

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know, just the very beginning of any candidate, whatever. And of

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course, Noah, Noah is a prime example. Like he told Noah what

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to do. He didn't. He didn't say how it's going to be done. He

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just said do it. Yep. Yep. You just said trust me and rely on

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me. And it's gonna work. And

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then we're in the end. We're in the process of

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learning. Absolutely. Yeah, well, I call the crazy water

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lady up and guess what the crazy water lady wanted to talk about?

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Water. Absolutely. You want to talk about water. I didn't want

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to talk about whatever I want to talk about my anatomy test. You

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want to talk about water. I want to talk about an essay.

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You had to do anatomy Asking for massage

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therapy then. Oh, yeah, that's

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definitely we have four different science classes

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for different science classes.

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So, points, all that stuff. Yeah.

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And then she mentions that she has a friend,

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a couple of friends that have a water store in Rapid City, South

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Dakota. That's the city where I live. Suddenly, guess who wants

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to talk about water? Hydration massage. Hmm, I think

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that same lady,

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that same lady that was an hour and a half

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away, new, a new a couple here. So I met with the water store

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people. And we decided we wanted to do business together. And

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what they told me was, because we understand your situation, we

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want to help you out. For the first six months, you owe no

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rent, unless you start doing really good. This all took place

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in the course of two weeks, we now have our place to rent at

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zero per month. So we started paying them as it was three

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months in.

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So now, after all of that,

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well actually kind of in between. We needed a table, we

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needed sheets, we needed oil, we needed business cards. So we

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thought on no money, wonder what the bank would loan us. And so

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we called up the bank, and we said, yeah, here's our

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situation. They said, Oh, yeah, we can get you a $5,000 loan to

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share. What's that? Say? Share it out? Yeah. Well, so we

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started using our credit cards, because we knew that loan money

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was coming through, we got the tables we needed. And we got the

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chairs we needed. We got the supplies we needed. We got the

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oils, we needed, we got the business cards, we needed, the

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only thing we weren't getting was that $5,000. Right. And so

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we called the bank back up again. That's not when we wanted

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to hear oops, we made a mistake.

Tyler Evans: 00:17:18

So you know what you could do turn around and sue

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that bank and say, Hey, you should have

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been? Well,

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for trust issues.

Guy Siverson: 00:17:27

Yeah, it's not what we did. Instead, what we

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did was you said, Well, we've been pushed into the letter B.

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And we drove to the attorney. Yeah, to Firebase, to Firebase

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of file bankruptcy. So we started our business, you know,

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you when you start a business, you're supposed to have this

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capital partner, then that the business can survive on the

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show. Yeah, cuz we had none of that. In fact, we were bankrupt.

Saylor Cooper: 00:18:00

And what caused you to go bankrupt? And if

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people helped you out?

Guy Siverson: 00:18:05

Well, they helped us with the rent. But we had

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maxed out our credit cards, and we didn't have the ability to

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pay it because we hadn't built our clientele up. Ah,

Tyler Evans: 00:18:14

I see. So what's interesting about bank but

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what's interesting about bankruptcy is it doesn't

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actually dissolve the company entirely. It just allows the

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company to, like, in a sense, reset its finances, and

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eventually, they could get back on their feet. Because just

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because you go through bankruptcy and have bankruptcy

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doesn't mean you close.

Guy Siverson: 00:18:35

That's right. Yeah, that's right. So on the

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way into the bankruptcy court, parking lot, I have my Ford C

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max electric vehicle. It's a real nice vehicle. I've never

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had any problem with it at all. It's a beautiful vehicle. I love

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it. It's a nice vehicle. It's probably about the only 19 we

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had at that point. And I prayed and I said, Lord, if this car is

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to be part of that bankruptcy, please show me a sign. Instantly

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it stopped working. Whoa. And I, I was in middle of the parking

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lot. My wife's in the driver in the passenger seat. I can't get

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the car started. It will not start. I'm not even in a parking

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space. So I turned back to learning and saying, Okay, I get

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it. I get the sign. But I need to park the car so I can sign

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the papers. So would you turn this car back on? Because I

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can't. I push the button and fired up right now.

Tyler Evans: 00:19:33

Whoa, oh, wow. He said we parked

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the car. We went we went and parked the car and

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sign the papers. Took the car over the Ford dealers walked in

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the Ford dealers put the keys on the counter turned around and

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the reception says, Hey, wait, what are you doing? I said,

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Well, I'm giving you my car. I said well, you can't just do

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that. said strange because I just did that. And I walked out

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My friend who had helped me get over there, said, You know, we

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have a car. I called it the miracle car. Why is it the

Guy Siverson: 00:20:09

miracle car? Largely because it was a miracle when anywhere? Oh,

Guy Siverson: 00:20:14

yeah. The front window was shattered in multiple places.

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The door handles and the doors were falling off. The ceiling

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tile, for the ceiling up above, was flaking off in on our heads,

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not a bottom not a problem for a bald person. But my wife's not

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bald. And basically, when you were when we were heading

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somewhere, you could probably hear us about three miles away.

Guy Siverson: 00:20:49

I mean, it was, that was the car. About a year and a half

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later, we got another car because of a friend. The very

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next week after we got that other car, the car stopped

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working and even trained mechanics could not get it

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started again.

Saylor Cooper: 00:21:06

So what happened to the Ford C? Max, you gave it

Saylor Cooper: 00:21:09

up for the bankruptcy? What happened?

Guy Siverson: 00:21:11

Well, I gave it up to the bankruptcy. I let it go.

Guy Siverson: 00:21:15

And I said, You know what, whatever it takes. We're going

Guy Siverson: 00:21:18

to do this. Somebody sacrificed a lot. Yeah, sometimes in the

Guy Siverson: 00:21:22

process of reaching success, you've got to sacrifice a lot,

Guy Siverson: 00:21:26

if not most everything. Wow. So now we are in the water store.

Guy Siverson: 00:21:36

And what we got business cards right at the beginning, although

Guy Siverson: 00:21:41

we didn't realise we couldn't afford them. And my wife had

Guy Siverson: 00:21:46

gone around to all the chiropractors, physical

Guy Siverson: 00:21:48

therapist, practitioners and whatnot, in order to give them

Guy Siverson: 00:21:54

business cards. And that way we could build leads and get leads

Guy Siverson: 00:22:02

from them. Guess how many leads we got from all the business

Guy Siverson: 00:22:05

cards that she handed out?

Guy Siverson: 00:22:11

I don't know none. Hi. You're right, Matthew, you're

Guy Siverson: 00:22:14

absolutely right. It's like

Tyler Evans: 00:22:17

you're saying he said he was saying none? Yeah,

Tyler Evans: 00:22:21

because I guess none. And I knew when you were talking about the

Tyler Evans: 00:22:24

car, how you said the car was just, you didn't have any

Tyler Evans: 00:22:27

problems. I was thinking like in my mind, oh, it's gonna stop

Tyler Evans: 00:22:30

working. That was right, it did.

Saylor Cooper: 00:22:34

And he's still got no leads.

Guy Siverson: 00:22:36

So we got no leaves from all that effort. We

Guy Siverson: 00:22:39

had leads from other things, but not from that effort. Eaten

Guy Siverson: 00:22:43

months later, the water store people say we want to retire and

Guy Siverson: 00:22:48

we want you to take over the water store. That would have

Guy Siverson: 00:22:51

been fine, except for we did not feel called to take over the

Guy Siverson: 00:22:54

water store. So we asked them for 30 days that we could just

Guy Siverson: 00:22:59

pray about it. And they granted us that

Guy Siverson: 00:23:03

the very next week, we get a phone call.

Guy Siverson: 00:23:09

We would like you to join our team, our chiropractic team as

Guy Siverson: 00:23:14

our massage therapist. And I said sorry, I can't help you.

Guy Siverson: 00:23:18

They said, Wait, why can't you help? I said, Well, my wife and

Guy Siverson: 00:23:22

I are both massage therapists. Therefore you would need to be

Guy Siverson: 00:23:26

looking for massage therapists in order to be interested in

Guy Siverson: 00:23:30

order for us to be interested. And they said, Well, we have two

Guy Siverson: 00:23:33

rooms. And I said, Well, we have something to talk about. We met

Guy Siverson: 00:23:39

and they said draw up a letter of everything you would need in

Guy Siverson: 00:23:43

order to move in. We did that. We sent it to him email. They

Guy Siverson: 00:23:49

sent it back. And absolutely every point that we would need

Guy Siverson: 00:23:54

was marked no. We would not be going to the to the chiropractic

Guy Siverson: 00:24:01

clinic. And we would not be staying at the water store. So

Guy Siverson: 00:24:05

we've decided to open up our own clinic found a place that was

Guy Siverson: 00:24:09

perfect, absolutely ideal. The landlord said drop a contract of

Guy Siverson: 00:24:13

everything you need to move in and and we'll just roll it into

Guy Siverson: 00:24:16

your end. Well, I'd heard things like that before. Did that

Guy Siverson: 00:24:20

receive the reply back? I was talking basic. Well, that close

Guy Siverson: 00:24:24

that door. I turned to God and I said God you brought us to South

Guy Siverson: 00:24:30

Dakota a place I would never live. You brought me into a

Guy Siverson: 00:24:34

trade that I would never do. happens to be my most favourite

Guy Siverson: 00:24:39

trade I've ever done. Yeah. And we need a place to practice. Fix

Guy Siverson: 00:24:45

it. Well, at that point, God said send the same exact email

Guy Siverson: 00:24:49

that you sent last week to the chiropractor again. Well, it was

Guy Siverson: 00:24:53

my turn to help God out. Because I absolutely there's no way

Guy Siverson: 00:25:00

think that anyone would change their mind on everything. When

Guy Siverson: 00:25:06

just one week earlier they had said, No, that's totally not

Guy Siverson: 00:25:09

possible. God's wasting my time. And his his talent.

Tyler Evans: 00:25:15

He said send it. I sent it.

Guy Siverson: 00:25:20

One, we got a response back. Absolutely

Guy Siverson: 00:25:23

everything that they had previously said no to. was now a

Guy Siverson: 00:25:28

yes. So we moved in with a chiropractor for about two years

Guy Siverson: 00:25:33

until we decided to open our own clinic. And that's where we are

Guy Siverson: 00:25:36

today. Oh, yeah. Wow.

Saylor Cooper: 00:25:38

I'm confused. Cuz your story is quite compelling.

Saylor Cooper: 00:25:42

It's a roller coaster, but I did get kind of lost. So did you

Saylor Cooper: 00:25:46

fall? Did you declare bankruptcy? Like how did you get

Saylor Cooper: 00:25:49

out of it? Did you pay the debt back? That's what I'm still kind

Saylor Cooper: 00:25:52

of.

Guy Siverson: 00:25:52

Well, once you put one to declare bankruptcy, you

Guy Siverson: 00:25:55

don't pay no debt that

Tyler Evans: 00:25:57

okay. Basically, you're saying, hey, campaign

Tyler Evans: 00:26:01

anything back? I'm not gonna do so.

Saylor Cooper: 00:26:03

It does affect

Guy Siverson: 00:26:06

us? Yeah. And they'll get back in 2010. It

Guy Siverson: 00:26:10

affects your credit for I think it is. Six years.

Saylor Cooper: 00:26:13

Yeah. That you can repair it that that sell.

Saylor Cooper: 00:26:16

Wow. So you finally made it wasn't?

Guy Siverson: 00:26:18

It was 2018 I'm sorry. I was wrong on that.

Tyler Evans: 00:26:20

Whoa. 2018. Yeah.

Guy Siverson: 00:26:24

Right. Right. For what happened in 2019. Guys.

Tyler Evans: 00:26:30

Well, we had a businessman and office on like

Tyler Evans: 00:26:33

this clown.

Guy Siverson: 00:26:34

And in COVID. Yeah. ago. There you go. That's

Guy Siverson: 00:26:37

when

Tyler Evans: 00:26:37

we actually had a businessman Trump. Yeah, we

Tyler Evans: 00:26:41

know. You go. There

Guy Siverson: 00:26:41

you go. I gotcha. I gotcha. I gotcha.

Tyler Evans: 00:26:44

Yeah, that's what we need. Businessman.

Guy Siverson: 00:26:47

What has happened since 2019. Oh, man. COVID.

Guy Siverson: 00:26:53

Exactly. Well, laid back.

Tyler Evans: 00:26:57

And now we're trying to claw our way back from

Tyler Evans: 00:27:01

pandemic.

Guy Siverson: 00:27:03

And it's in this platform that we built our

Guy Siverson: 00:27:06

business of forward with to raving success. Oh, yeah. Now,

Guy Siverson: 00:27:14

we are taking about to take the very next step. Yeah. But before

Guy Siverson: 00:27:20

I tell you about that very next step, is there any other

Guy Siverson: 00:27:23

questions?

Saylor Cooper: 00:27:24

So give us a timeline? Like, what business?

Saylor Cooper: 00:27:28

Were you in before the massage therapy? And what I know what

Saylor Cooper: 00:27:32

failed? What business? Was it? So when did you when did this

Saylor Cooper: 00:27:35

whole journey start? So I can get like an accurate timeline

Saylor Cooper: 00:27:37

and listening to you. So

Guy Siverson: 00:27:39

the we started school in May in May of 2018.

Guy Siverson: 00:27:46

And before that, what basis were you in? Before that? Hold onto

Guy Siverson: 00:27:51

your hats? We were digital marketers. Oh, and that's right.

Guy Siverson: 00:27:57

That's what failed. And that's what we built our business

Guy Siverson: 00:28:01

forward successfully on. Wow.

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:06

And that's when your that's when you were

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:08

suicidal? And all that, right. Absolutely. So why did it fail?

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:12

Because, of course, we don't in our business, we don't want to

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:16

fail. But we want to learn lessons from you if are

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:18

possible.

Guy Siverson: 00:28:19

You know, my business strategy was focused on

Guy Siverson: 00:28:24

one platform, which was called Oh, I can't remember. But it was

Guy Siverson: 00:28:30

one job board platform I made a tonne of money from tonne of

Guy Siverson: 00:28:34

money. Well, that platform joined together with two other

Guy Siverson: 00:28:40

platforms. And I went from making a tonne of money to

Guy Siverson: 00:28:43

making nothing off of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so

Guy Siverson: 00:28:48

I, you know, I didn't have a good, multi faceted network to

Guy Siverson: 00:28:55

build myself on. Right.

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:57

That's why we're trying to expand our network.

Saylor Cooper: 00:28:59

Tyler. Yeah.

Tyler Evans: 00:29:02

You know, it's interesting, that you mentioned

Tyler Evans: 00:29:09

that God was telling you to do this thing twice. And, you know,

Tyler Evans: 00:29:15

I was thinking to myself, you know, our timing is not his, his

Tyler Evans: 00:29:20

timing is absolutely perfect. And we don't even realise it. We

Tyler Evans: 00:29:23

think to ourselves, oh, God, I gotta hurry up. I gotta hurry.

Tyler Evans: 00:29:26

I've got to do this. Gotta do this. I'm running out of time.

Tyler Evans: 00:29:28

And God says, you're not. This is my time. And it's perfect.

Tyler Evans: 00:29:32

But to us, we have an in imperfect conception of time, we

Tyler Evans: 00:29:37

think, Oh, we got to do this, and this and this. But God tells

Tyler Evans: 00:29:41

us just be patient sometimes. And sometimes he says, hey, just

Tyler Evans: 00:29:45

do this. So Wow. And it's in this and that's where faith

Tyler Evans: 00:29:49

comes in. He just says, Hey, do it. Just do it. That's it.

Saylor Cooper: 00:29:54

So wow, this started in 2018 and 2023. Five

Saylor Cooper: 00:29:58

years later. Wow. So About a man keep his keep taking us down.

Saylor Cooper: 00:30:03

Keep taking us down. This has been a great story you even one

Saylor Cooper: 00:30:06

might even want my best guest on podcast as far as last. Oh,

Saylor Cooper: 00:30:11

yeah. Glad to

Guy Siverson: 00:30:11

be here. All right. So we don't believe in

Guy Siverson: 00:30:17

what's called traditional deep tissue, we believe that is

Guy Siverson: 00:30:20

actually harmful to the body. And what is that again what the

Guy Siverson: 00:30:25

traditional deep tissue you know, where you got to get in

Guy Siverson: 00:30:28

and break the break up all the knots and whatnot, in order to

Guy Siverson: 00:30:33

get the relief. We believe that is completely wrong.

Tyler Evans: 00:30:38

So what about using, say, the fingers the

Tyler Evans: 00:30:40

thumb to kind of press and manipulate the muscle by

Tyler Evans: 00:30:43

pressing, you know, using like circles. And

Guy Siverson: 00:30:46

so what we are heading towards doing, and it's

Guy Siverson: 00:30:50

actually going to be launched tomorrow is training people how

Guy Siverson: 00:30:58

to do massage correctly. Ah, and it's gonna cost them 10 bucks to

Guy Siverson: 00:31:06

be in the course. Whoa, that's it. That's it. 10 bucks.

Tyler Evans: 00:31:11

Now this massage like do believe and applying

Tyler Evans: 00:31:15

pressure on the muscle and, you know, like things like that

Tyler Evans: 00:31:19

using like them

Guy Siverson: 00:31:20

is so back to cover Matthew, guess what you

Guy Siverson: 00:31:23

need to do? What? During the course?

Guy Siverson: 00:31:28

Join the course. And I will and I will help you guys understand

Guy Siverson: 00:31:34

how to get the best results. We have over 405 star reviews. Look

Guy Siverson: 00:31:39

at any other reviews of massage therapists, nation wide. Don't

Guy Siverson: 00:31:45

have 405 star reviews. Interesting. Wow, the game

Guy Siverson: 00:31:53

changers in massage. I went thinking massage was the last

Guy Siverson: 00:31:59

thing in the world that would ever I would ever be interested

Guy Siverson: 00:32:02

to do to the best thing I've ever done in my life. Wow.

Guy Siverson: 00:32:07

There's only one thing that I haven't told you now. And that's

Guy Siverson: 00:32:11

the link. Can I share that link with you?

Saylor Cooper: 00:32:15

Sure. If you can put all your information in the

Saylor Cooper: 00:32:17

chat everything in the chat about your programmes. I'll put

Saylor Cooper: 00:32:20

this in the show notes and help promote it. That'd be great.

Guy Siverson: 00:32:22

Okay, all I'm gonna give you have a link.

Guy Siverson: 00:32:26

And and it really in with that link. People can go out and find

Guy Siverson: 00:32:33

out what we have. We have a killer landing page that will

Guy Siverson: 00:32:36

describe everything. It's on stop your pain dot club. Stop

Guy Siverson: 00:32:44

your pain dot club. Not CLU BCL UB, correct?

Saylor Cooper: 00:32:52

Yeah, if you could put all this in the chat,

Saylor Cooper: 00:32:54

so that way I can put it

Guy Siverson: 00:32:56

in the chat. Awesome.

Tyler Evans: 00:32:58

Interesting. So basically, everything you've

Tyler Evans: 00:33:02

been taught about massage is basically wrong.

Guy Siverson: 00:33:05

Prep. So then why are they teaching it? Because

Guy Siverson: 00:33:09

they haven't figured it out themselves.

Tyler Evans: 00:33:12

But still, like if they haven't figured it out for

Tyler Evans: 00:33:14

themselves. And while they're doing

Guy Siverson: 00:33:16

well, because they want to make money to don't they

Guy Siverson: 00:33:19

are

Tyler Evans: 00:33:19

sick. So basically, you can become a Soos joining

Tyler Evans: 00:33:24

this class and you can potentially serve.

Guy Siverson: 00:33:26

No, I am not saying that. Oh, okay. What you

Guy Siverson: 00:33:30

can do is you can definitely give an awesome massage. Oh,

Guy Siverson: 00:33:33

yeah. I mean, I don't know. And all and all it takes in order to

Guy Siverson: 00:33:41

find out what the secret sauce behind it is, is a $10 bill.

Tyler Evans: 00:33:46

Wow. And it's just $10 flat, and nothing more,

Tyler Evans: 00:33:49

nothing less. Now there's some there

Guy Siverson: 00:33:51

will be other things that are offered, if

Guy Siverson: 00:33:53

that's of interest, but it's not necessarily like for example,

Guy Siverson: 00:33:56

I've written a book about my story. You can secure that for

Guy Siverson: 00:34:01

yourself. Because, you know, I think this is an incredible

Guy Siverson: 00:34:04

story.

Tyler Evans: 00:34:06

Well guess what we're doing? Me and my friend

Tyler Evans: 00:34:08

Taylor are writing a book to book this book.

Tyler Evans: 00:34:13

What's your book? Plug in the chat. It's a good book.

Saylor Cooper: 00:34:20

It's about family, navigating life's

Saylor Cooper: 00:34:22

challenges,

Tyler Evans: 00:34:23

especially navigating family dynamics and

Tyler Evans: 00:34:25

life's challenges and stuff. Nice. Nice. Yeah. And our books

Tyler Evans: 00:34:31

is basically like a memoir. Now we're not even near than writing

Tyler Evans: 00:34:34

it yet. We're we got to get to writing but we're like we

Tyler Evans: 00:34:39

haven't worked on in a while we get to work on it.

Guy Siverson: 00:34:42

So the book I the book I'm not that I'm working on

Guy Siverson: 00:34:45

currently is

Guy Siverson: 00:34:49

hell and Hell's Highway is paved with gold. Wow.

Tyler Evans: 00:34:56

Another word seems paid. Let's go but in actuality,

Tyler Evans: 00:34:59

it's a Not.

Guy Siverson: 00:35:01

So that particular book that I'm working on now is

Guy Siverson: 00:35:05

basically looking at my background and my past because

Guy Siverson: 00:35:08

it's not been pretty. And looking at how even with the

Guy Siverson: 00:35:12

ugliness, even with the trouble, even with the trauma, God has

Guy Siverson: 00:35:17

brought forward. Yeah, using blessings. Oh, yeah. So hey

Guy Siverson: 00:35:23

guys, I do need to step off. But okay, stop your pain dot club.

Guy Siverson: 00:35:30

Awesome. And before you go, Yes, before you go,

Tyler Evans: 00:35:35

we wanted to ask you have one final question that

Tyler Evans: 00:35:38

we always ask our guests and that is, what do you say to

Tyler Evans: 00:35:40

people who feel they have no hope in life? They don't know

Tyler Evans: 00:35:44

where to turn,

Saylor Cooper: 00:35:45

you answer this? Well, I know you can.

Guy Siverson: 00:35:48

I tell them that, right?

Guy Siverson: 00:35:51

Because if somebody chooses to think they have no hope, then

Guy Siverson: 00:35:56

they don't run till they pick up the gauntlet and move forward in

Guy Siverson: 00:36:02

the hole in a hopeless situation, despite all the

Guy Siverson: 00:36:05

obstacles against them. When they do that, when they choose

Guy Siverson: 00:36:10

to pick up and move forward in the in the empowerment of God in

Guy Siverson: 00:36:15

their lives, then they have hope. But if they want to sit

Guy Siverson: 00:36:18

there and say they have no hope I just tell them they're right.

Tyler Evans: 00:36:21

Yeah. Well, if you think about it, in a sense, they

Tyler Evans: 00:36:25

are right. Because without God, there's no hope. That's what

Tyler Evans: 00:36:27

that's absolutely true. I mean, true. Hope I'm not talking I

Tyler Evans: 00:36:31

just, you know, temporary, you know, this world and then you

Tyler Evans: 00:36:33

die. And that's it. No, oh, God. And anyway,

Saylor Cooper: 00:36:39

but your story is so captivating.

Guy Siverson: 00:36:42

Thank you. I appreciate that. When does it go

Guy Siverson: 00:36:46

live? And,

Saylor Cooper: 00:36:49

and probably a couple of weeks, I'll definitely

Saylor Cooper: 00:36:51

let you know when it goes live. I put my contact information, my

Saylor Cooper: 00:36:54

business card. You love that. If you fill out that form, we'll

Saylor Cooper: 00:36:58

both keep our emails. Okay, let me I'm putting all my programmes

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:04

in the chat too. And we

Tyler Evans: 00:37:05

also have very exciting stuff coming up. That's

Tyler Evans: 00:37:08

your spare party, which is free and a blissful life community,

Tyler Evans: 00:37:13

which is $25 a month.

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:14

Yep. That's all in the chat. That's all in the

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:16

chat.

Guy Siverson: 00:37:17

Awesome. I'll take a look. All right.

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:21

Guys, stay with you guys.

Guy Siverson: 00:37:25

Today. Yes, you did. Awesome.

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:29

Guy Stephenson on episode 52. Stay blessed and

Saylor Cooper: 00:37:33

live life and bliss.