The Spirit of Horses

WSC Intro/Outro: This is when Spirit calls and you on your journey, are in the right place. This show is about magic, miracles and meaning shared through stories, interviews and channeled messages. We have so much to share about who you are and your divine mission here on the earth, let's get to it when Spirit calls is right now.

Rev. Rose Hope: Our incredible guest today is Kate Neligan. Kate is an equine partnered life and business coach who supports her clients, intuition, emotional intelligence, and empower leadership, both virtually and in person with horses and goats. Kate left her VP of marketing career at a movie studio to pursue her calling for the transformation that happens within the human and animal bond. She brings her master's degree in spiritual psychology and numerous trainings in various healing modalities to her 15 years as a coach. Kate is passionate about helping women to thrive and is a best selling author with stories in the books the power of being a woman and woman will save the world. She's also an animal communicator and healer, and has published in the books animal and nature by common sentience. Kate is a motivational speaker with a TEDx talk on perfectionism and the awakening with equine certification program with Horse Wisdom card deck that she created is new for next level equine partner coaches who are trailblazing new paths with humans and horses. You can find out more about kate@kateneligan.com I am so excited to welcome Kate to our show today.

Hello everyone. We're so happy to be back on another episode of when Spirit calls. I absolutely love getting to know incredible people from all over the world. And recently I had the pleasure of meeting Kate. Hi, Kate.

Hi.

Rev. Rose Hope: Oh my gosh. When I learned that Kate was working with horses and an equine therapist, I was like, Oh my gosh. I love this stuff so much, and I knew that I wanted to engage and get you into the show. Because I think that we, oftentimes, as we go through this world, we we miss all these beautiful modalities. People don't even know what's out there. And so I think this is such a wonderful opportunity to to bring light to this idea of utilizing the power of the magic horses to help us to heal. Now, I'm sure you had a bit of a journey to get to where you are in terms of being this incredible entrepreneur, working with horses and humans and all of the things. So would you enlighten us on the journey to get to this place where you are now?

Yeah, I'd love to. And it like many paths, it's not linear, so to speak, and I didn't expect it. So I've loved horses my whole life, and I rode as a kid, and then I took time off because I was working in New York City, and there's not a ton of access. And when I was working for a movie studio in Los Angeles, actually, I had a colleague a couple doors down, and she had a horse in her office, and I just went, Well, I always wanted to talk to her. And finally, one day, I was like, is that your horse? And we struck up a conversation, and she invited me out to a ranch where I got to meet her horse, and then ended up leasing a horse through that ranch, and then basically she brought me to the next ranch. I met another horse, and then that's where I met my first mentor. And I remember sort of the day that my friend was telling me that her horses were part of equine therapy session with addicts and rehab and recovery in California, and she was explaining what the horses were doing. And I was like, I don't understand what what do you mean like? Because I had always rode, so I understood what they were like riding, and I had competed in college, and then I was like, they're doing what they're putting their heads on people's hearts when they're grieving, and they're, you know, breathing with them and meditating. And I'm like, I need to see this. And it was like one of those full body like, timestamps, still moments. And I said, I need to go see this. And so I volunteered, and I spent a while assisting and volunteering and watching magic happen in two hours. That took two years in my master's program, because I have my master's in spiritual psychology, and I was like, this is the coolest thing ever, that the horses are creating transformation this quickly. Because people would come in and they weren't in their bodies, and they weren't hopeful, and they would leave, and I would actually see them, like lit up from within and back inside their

bodies, and grounded and hopeful. And I was like, I didn't even know this could happen. And I'm like, What is this? So then I went into inquiry and study of like, all these different horse trainers and certifications and whatnot, to learn what are the horses actually. Doing what's happening here, because it was total magic in my mind at the time. And now we know there's science and whatnot to it as well. But yeah, it was a big it was one of those, like, I was led to find out this wonderful sort of what at the time felt like a secret about horses. And this was a 15 years ago, so not a lot of people were doing equine coaching therapy at that time. So yeah,

Rev. Rose Hope: so you were a bit ahead of the curve there, too. And so I'm curious. I mean, obviously you saw the picture of the horse in this office, and you were called to this, you know, ask about it. And that led from one thing to another, which I think is beautiful. It's like the horse called you in, you know, it's like you didn't have a choice. Like, the horse is like, No, you need to you need to go. I love that, and I think there's such power in that. But being that you had started this 15 years ago, I'm curious to know, like, what allowed you to make the leap from a regular job to actually creating a business out of this?

Yeah, it was a big leap, because at the time, I was in a really comfy, like six figure salary inside of, you know, a movie studio, which was my dream for so long, and what I wanted to do and but getting my master's in spiritual psychology, like they asked us a couple major questions, like, who am I? Why am I here? And how do I want to make a meaningful contribution on the planet. And I knew at the time, like I was really my ego and my soul were sort of like separating in some ways, because my ego wanted more of, like that status and whatnot, but was still, like, very unhappy. And then there was a soul drive to to give back. I loved what I learned from my master's program, and I wanted to give it to people, and I knew how much it was helping me and and at the time, I was going to, like, spiritual organizations and classes and whatnot. And during the day, I was selling horror movies, and I was working in this crazy world of energy. And I'm, like, completely disconnected from, you know, I'm, like, into, I literally felt two, yeah, two worlds, two people. And I kind of had one of those, like, out of body experiences one day when I was selling a horror movie to a well known company, and I sort of looked out at myself and was like, What are you doing? Like, how are you, how are you in doing this? You're so incongruent. And, you know, I just at the time, I was working on a conscious media channel, so I was collecting and curating hundreds of inspirational videos, and I thought that was my path. And I actually left my big corporate job to do conscious media and to have a channel in that space. And I really thought that was my path, but it wasn't working. And again, my ego is wrapped up in this, like, I want to be CEO and have a team and, like, be this multi millionaire entrepreneur. And it was so big and so big and so big. And then I had a coach at the time, and I was partnering and assisting with these horses. And I just remember every time I get

on the call with him, I was like, crying and and he's like, What are you really? What are you doing? Why did you hire me? I thought I was gonna help you fundraise. And I'm like, You were and I actually, like, my heart just wants these horses so bad. And so then I realized, in my one of my first offerings, I did a team building with a movie studio, and I my two worlds, like, collided. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I can actually help the movie studio world potentially Greenlight more compassionate stories, more love based programming through the power of the horses. And I didn't have to, you know, I could see this, like different path moving forward, where there was a different type of synergy. So,

Rev. Rose Hope: Ooh, I love you sharing this so much, because many of our listeners are either in a career that is sucking their soul or feeling like it's not congruent with what their spirit's calling them to do. And so we're in this really interesting flux. Because, you know, I mean, I've been there too, you know, having to leave, you know, the solid, you know, foundation of having regular income and all of those things. But at the end of the day, I think the more of us that come into that harmonious alignment with what our spirit is really calling us to do, I think that's when we start to see this world really transform. Because it's not so much profit driven, right? It's about service driven. And I think there's something really potent and powerful about having that sense of compassion that you talk about and infusing that. And what a gift for us that we get to plug ourselves into these spaces that maybe is lacking compassion, or maybe so full of the ego based, profit driven energy, and really starting to touch their hearts and allow them to see that there's much more to this life. And I do find it quite comical that you were doing, like, pitching a horror movie. Yeah, from a spiritual perspective, that's like, what are you doing? Right? Like,

Exactly.

Rev. Rose Hope: let's not feed into that world, but, but I love that that came to a head for you in that moment, like that you had that, like. You know that aha moment of like, wait a second, and then being able to witness how you could still serve in the industry, but in a totally different way,

yeah, and it was, it really was one of those, like, this is my greatest love is animals. I wanted to be a vet when I was a kid. I didn't even think that coaching with horses was a thing, could be a thing. I knew when I started my master's program, I wanted to be a coach, but I also knew in like, my like, all of my cells, I couldn't be a coach in a regular way. I needed to do it a little bit differently, but I didn't know what it was yet. And I actually was at a friend's one day, and, like, she just picked it up. She just was led to say what Spirit wanted to, like, bring through, which is like, I see you. She's like, I see you coaching with the horses. And I was like, What do you mean? Like shouting life advice on the back, like horseback riding, because I didn't know this existed. And then all of a sudden, boom, I'm invited into these sessions. And I was like, and I knew I didn't necessarily want to work with addiction or treatment at that time, but I knew that I needed to learn a lot about how the horses were working and how to bring my spiritual psychology and coaching skills into that space and partner them with the horses. And I now say like the horse, I work for the horses like they've led my life and it is all it's just all about that. But I have a lot of respect for wherever people are because I've been in these other spaces, and I understand being more led by the ego or being led by fear. I understand it. I used to also be an atheist, so I've, like, really changed in my life.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, oh, I love that you actually said that, because, you know, you went from being an atheist to being having a master's in spiritual psychology, not normal, right? But I love that, because it shows us how far we can stretch. It shows us how we can change. It shows us how we can evolve. And so there's something powerful in that, and I think that actually brings about kind of this next piece of really understanding, okay, well, now you work with horses, and you work with people, and you work with spiritual psychology and all of the things, what are, you know, what would be, kind of, your main pieces of advice for people who are in this world going through struggle, and, you know, what is, what does that look like? Like Like, if I if I came to you and I was like, oh my god, Kate, I'm having a really hard time with my health or with my mental state or whatever. Like, what does that look like? And what advice do you typically give people right out of the gates?

Yeah, it's a great inquiry and question. I think that I bring in a lot of what my master's program taught me, which is one of the main tenants, is outer reality is a reflection of inner reality. And so when life isn't working outside us, what inside of us is actually creating that and or CO creating that on some level. And sometimes it may be just karmic and we're going through stuff, and other times it's like our belief systems about it. And I think for me, like I didn't even know that I could have a career that I loved, like I grew up in a place where it was like, you go to college and you get a job and you pay your bills, and like I was literally on this track and didn't realize that, wait a minute, I could create the life that I wanted to have through intentional choice and through believing in myself, growing self worth and self love, stepping into what makes me joyful, realizing that other people I'm joyful, people around me are as well. And so a lot of like, what I do, especially with women, is getting them reconnected to, like, what are your needs? What are your desires? Because sometimes we forget even that basic, like, we're just living our lives for other people, or we're in people policing those so it's like doing a needs assessment and getting back like, what actually do you need for your soul to feel lit up here on Earth? Like, what are you guided to do? What are your gifts giving people permission to get like, woo, woo. I don't love that word, but it's like to be able to share. I mean, I have people come often in the whisper, like, I think I can do mediumship. I'm like, I'm sure you can. And like, letting people step into spaces that maybe they didn't have permission to before. And the horses are so different in how they work with people, because they see you through unconditional love and acceptance. They hold space so differently that people can get vulnerable very quickly and intimate very quickly and and release what

they've been holding on to. So I like to help people kind of come in from a place of wherever you are is fine, but is it working for you, or is it not? And if it's not working for you, things are challenging, like, let's look at stuck emotions, because I do believe stuck emotions contribute to a lot, and I love Emotion Code and clearings and intentionally working on releasing things, sometimes ancestral, lots of different elements, but ultimately, then, like the horse is really infusing them with. Yeah, like you can feel this loved. You can feel this grounded on earth. You can be this present as your birthright, as something that will help you, then go back into the world and say no to the guy that's been harming you and you can't be with anymore, even though you think you can, or you have this old pattern that lets you, like, only deserve this much, right? Like you can actually create change differently from from, basically, in many ways, what the horses are doing is upgrading your frequency, like they're just truly upgrading your vibration, because I think they're so high, yeah,

Rev. Rose Hope: I Okay, there's so much I want to unpack here. So first I want to comment on your, you know, if your outer reflection is, you know, not looking so good. It's an invitation to go inward. And that's not to say either that like we have to start beating up on ourselves and saying, Oh, that relationship out here isn't working, and so it must be my fault. We're not saying that. What we're inviting people to come into is this understanding that, hey, if you're noticing your outer world, your extrinsic environment is not showing up the way you think it should be, then there is a great opportunity of discovery inside of us to start looking at some of those old programs and those limited beliefs that are under the surface that maybe we have been, you know, pushing down or hiding. And I think that's such a beautiful piece and reminder for us, because we know that we are the ones responsible for creating the outer reality, right? We get to decide that. And so this conscious process of being more present, being more aware within ourselves, really lends itself to creating this outer world that you're talking about. The other piece here, of course, is this idea of how these horses are just so expansive for us. You're right. There's a vibration to nature of all nature, really. But the horses have this. And we're in the year of the horse, as you probably are well aware. But the horses have this, like real fire potency in them too. And when we get to be in the company of nature in this way, and particularly horses, what I have found is that it does really anchor me into presence, right? You said people leave there feeling more in their body. And so would you suggest that nature, or horses specifically, will help people who are basically in a state of fight or flight, and not in presence. Because to me, I feel like that's a biggest issue right now with our world, is we don't know how to be present. We don't know how to be here in the now. We're

always thinking of the past or the future, and so that anchoring in, into that presence, I feel like, is such an important piece here. Do you want to speak to that at all?

Yeah, it's so interesting, when you said that I had this kind of, like, little light come on around in we have always been in the past or the present. However, the past, like, you know, questioning things that, like, it's created doubt, it's created trauma that we're dealing with, whatever it may be, or the future. A lot of my clients are overthinkers, over planning, worrying about the future, and so they're more in that space. But I just when you said that I realized or we're in some alternate world inside of social media or AI. And that's also another re that's another time, space, dimension. I love that you pick that thread up. I just hit that. And I was like, Holy crow. We are doing everything we can to avoid the actual moment, like the actual now, now, now, now, of the body here on earth with all the you know. And I'm like, Whoa. So anyways, yeah, when you're speaking, I just like, picked up like, all the spaces that we do go to, for some reason, I don't know why we avoid this Now moment, because it is so awesome. And my whole thing, my value is on wonder. Where do you find on wonder always in the present moment. So for me, it's like I but I had a hard time being present, because there was so much I hadn't dealt with in my past, that when I started to do my spiritual psychology work, like, I had to release quite a bit of, like, store tears and grief, and I had to, like, let go of a lot and be comfortable in my body, which I wasn't for a while, until I learned, okay, like, I did a lot of the emotional work in my program, and then I went after, and I it's almost like I graduated to the horses, because they then did the somatics and the embodiment, and that was the layer that I needed, and still need. And I feel like a lot of people need, if you're not, like, I can't just have a regular like coaching or therapy in this talk to talk space, because my brain's too active or too intelligent, so I need the somatics of fur and smell and touch and ground

and like all of the things that, and then the invisible realm, which you know like looking at like you're the work that you're doing too like work. In some of these invisible realms of the records, like there's spaces and places that can support us in the Now moment, but there is such an interesting avoidance of human within the Now moment

Rev. Rose Hope: it is. So I think this is an epidemic. I really, really do you know, I think you're exactly right, and I love that that path revealed itself, of us getting lost in social media or getting that there. There's an escapism, if you will. And so, you know, I love this idea of being able to bring us back to our truth and our true nature, really, because our true nature is to be in that place of presence. And I think back, you know, I think, I think of, you know, people 100 or 200 years ago even, well, someone in Canada didn't know what was happening in Florida, right? And now we're getting so overwhelmed, you guys, our systems were not built to handle the weight of the world in this way. And yet we're so hooked in, and we let all of that come in, and then we wonder why we're in these fight or flight modes too. So, you know, it kind of goes back to you promoting, you know, a horror movie in the production world, and realizing, what are we feeding ourselves energetically, you know, not food wise. But what are we, what are we allowing to come into our field? And if we think back, even like I said, 100 200 years ago, there was nothing else but their present and local environments. They didn't have to worry about what was happening 100 miles away. They said no. And so I think it's this beautiful invitation, as we think about like that horse energy and how that's inviting us to come back to our true nature and to not get all distracted, and, you know, sidetracked with all this other stuff that actually isn't ours to even have to manage or mitigate. So I think that's really powerful. And I, yeah, I really value your your perspective on it too, because I also speak about on wonder and how that is found in the present moment. Suddenly. What are some things that we can do? I mean, say we have access to wars is great, but say we don't have access to people like you or horses. What are some things that that you suggest for us to be

more present?

Yeah. So even if we don't have horses, if we we can visualize closing our eyes and breathing of the horse, because the mind so powerful that we can close our eyes and picture a horse breathing nostril, the nostril, because the breath is the number one thing that unifies us and also does anchor us in the present moment, is Take a conscious breath, and then it's sometimes, like, I avoided breath work for a long time because I knew how powerful it would be for me. And I was like, I can't handle that. Oh, no, yeah, and I did. But like, you know, you have energetic dying, like, so, but now I'm like, I often say, even if you don't have horses, close your eyes and breathe with one or breathe the unicorn, like whatever feels, you know, fun. Breathe with a cat, breathe with what feels like right for you, but like that, breath and nostril to nostril, like you can energetic. And there's a lot of spirit, I believe, spirit horses that work with people, and you can, you know, you can access that, and they can come in and breathe with you. So that's one. But almost all of us have access to nature, and I know that we obviously go through different seasons and weather, but I'm a huge fan of hugging a tree and asking a tree, take stuff you have a you know, beautiful tree there with you, and it's like to see it. They're really powerful transmutation. So like seeing them support us, I'm a huge fan of sitting in dirt. I swear that's how I stayed healthy over the last few years. I'll sit in the ground and dirt almost every day. And I'm a huge fan of, like accessing a lot of people are morning people, but I'm, you know, more of an evening. So my ritual is more sunset and night sky, but some people it's, you know, it's like seeing the sunlight first thing in the morning. And, you know, nature is just being. And so, like, that's where we have an opportunity to, like, Go, get back into that space and just be which is present. And so it's like just noticing, you know,

just witnessing. And people have people come all the time and they're like, I have a hard time meditating, and I'm not the best at meditation, but I kind of look at like, life can be a meditation if we walk outside and really cool there I see the hummingbird right now. And just like, appreciating the hummingbirds beauty, and just, that's it. And like, just staying with it, instead of jumping back onto a phone or walking back inside to do something, it's like, you know, just staying with what we do notice and paying attention to the senses. Because I also think we grow our higher senses, which a lot of people now want and need. Quite frankly, we need access to intuition. That's one of my main goals, is to help people. That it's, it's like we get there through acknowledging more of our five senses, right? And yet, a lot of us are shutting that down through blue light on phones and other like we're messing with it. So we have to return back to, like, the body's here as a gift, and we have to work with it, yeah. So I, I'm a huge fan of like nature being a playground for presence and the no moments and it will we can regulate quickly, and we can get grounded quickly. If we're we even just set an intention to, just my intentions, to feel grounded right now. And, you know, pick something that means something to you. For me, it's actually the ground. For some it might be the birds or the trees or the sky.

Rev. Rose Hope: I think this is so beautiful. And I love that you said, Well, if you don't have access to horses or you can't get out into nature, you know, if you're in a big city center and you're just limited on that, you you know, you reminded us that we can visualize that, that we can tune into, that we can bring that to us. And I think that's part of the intuitive practice too, that we that we are meant to harness a little bit too, that we can create that reality in our minds and our bodies can experience all the benefits to that right, just like when we have a negative thought, you know, or we have a vision of something going horribly wrong, that our body also experiences that too. And so it's that reminder that we get to choose consciously. What vision Am I creating here? What story am I creating here? What do I want to be living in? What space do I want to be living in? So there's power in that. You talked about nostril to nostril breathing. Can you explain what you mean by that?

Yeah, so one of the things that one of my horses, I think, wants to do the most is help people breathe. And so she will put her nose down next to someone and invite you to, just like, be aware of your breath first and foremost, which, because I didn't used to be I used to help hold my breath a lot. And a lot of people hold their breath around horses, even people who are around horses a lot in horseback ride, because they're big and they're being nervous around them. So it's even more important to start to breathe and we will regulate. We, you know, our hearts can go into coherence around horses because theirs are so large and their electromagnetic field is much larger than ours. But there's this level of like, just being willing, you know, to take a couple breaths and so she'll actually dip her nose right next to someone and do it, or make it obvious and change, like, yeah, how, how it sounds. And I think that, you know, we can, we can picture horse putting their head on our hearts, too, and to, like, access that area. I'm a huge fan of, like, heart breathing, that Heart Math teaches, and just, you know, picturing valves on our heart, and like, breathing in and out of that space. And then the one I always start when I lean meditations, is wiggling your toes inside of your shoes. Because even just doing that fully, like you have to feel the earth. And you can set an intention to be on the earth and and, you know, the Earth is our original mother, and so it's like knowing that that's there for us to connect with, and we can send her love and appreciation and also receive from her. And we that's important, like, that's a piece of it. So it doesn't necessarily, I think the horses were kind of my doorway to, like, literally, be with nature on a higher level, across the board, yes,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah, brilliant. And I love that idea of imagining the horse like, you know, just I could feel almost the horse's breath on my cheek as you were talking about what that experience was. And, yeah, I think there's such potency in that. And you're so right about our breath too, isn't that something, how simple that is, but yet how profound and impactful that breath is. The other thing that you brought up was this idea of, you know, nature reminding us to be more present. And there I recently saw an interview, and then the I can't remember who was being interviewed, but he was talking about, you know, the acorn tree. And when the acorn drops and goes into the ground, the acorn doesn't think about, Oh, I sure hope I grow up to be a big tree. The Acorn is not worried about how it's going to evolve. It's not thinking about any of that. It's simply just allowing the process. And I think that's such a good message for us that, you know, we get so caught up in what everything needs to look like. And, you know, how am I going to grow and what am I going to do? And we're all caught up in that, rather than just being in the process of evolution, you know, allowing the process of evolution, participating in it in a way that just is easeful instead of efforted, you know. And really, and so I think there's so much learning for us to take out of nature, isn't there?

Oh, my god, yeah. And acorns, a beautiful one. We have a lot of, like, maple trees here where I live, and, like, my master's program called it an entelechy that in the. Corn, it's coated to be the oak tree, and that it will grow and evolve. And I think that is something like, patience is a virtue, because we do sometimes want to, like, be farther along. And I know I get that way too. I'm like, why is my reach not bigger? Where am I? You know, why am I not there yet? Yeah, but also that's like, and it's great to have goals. But it's, there's something about, like, we don't force flowers to bloom, like there's this natural occurrence of the blossoming. And it's also we, we don't force the cycles of the seasons. We, you know, nature is in those seasons, the trees not worried about growing its leaves back. They're coming back. And so there's this process of, like, being willing to let go and being willing to bloom, and being willing to be in the seasons that's more natural and more in tune. And I think that's important, because then we are in harmony with, like, you know, and so I have had to redefine success, because I had it when I was young. And then I like, then I go back to like, Okay, well, it, where is this? I have to get there, and then I'm going to be happy thing coming from that's just more ego versus enjoying the day to day and knowing, like, you know, want to live each day with on wonder and not have regrets and and I have to remind my system, like all of us that it's like, Hey, we're worthy of going and taking time to just be you know, I work with a lot of Equine coaches, and they're like, I don't have time to just be with my horses. And I'm like, That's all your horses really need. And that's actually where, if you are doing that and raising your frequency, like money is going to just come to you, and you are going to have more opportunities, you will have more insight and creativity. But we don't value these like spaces of nothingness or

just being, because we've had so much programming, that's the opposite. And so it's a bit of a rebellious act to choose presence and being, I think so,

Rev. Rose Hope: ooh, it kind of is, isn't it? Yeah, interesting, because it's going against what everyone else has been conditioned to do, right? You know, one of the things that comes up quite a bit is this difference between being driven and drawn. I love that, yeah. And so I was driven overachiever, over achiever. And not to say that there's something wrong with being driven. You know, there's some aspect of that where it's like, oh yeah, you get excited about something, and you feel that momentum, but the draw is a very different thing energetically. And so it's that pull, it's that that soul wisdom that's kind of planting those spiritual breadcrumbs, or, you know, guiding us along the way. And I think if we can have a nice, beautiful kind of balance of like a bit of that drive energy, but really letting that draw come in, oh my god. I think that hits the sweet spot. And I think that we're going to see more and more light workers and healers coming out and stepping into these platforms. So I think it's important to have these types of conversations too, because they lend themselves to us finding our groove too, and knowing that we will attract the abundance and getting out of some of those scarcity mindsets that a lot of healers have have had for centuries.

Yeah. And to your point, earlier, there's we're in the evolution, whether we know it or not, like the awakening is happening, yeah, and I'm aware that some people's awakening is going to happen very quickly, and we're going to be like, how did you get there that fast? But yeah, because that's what they came here. That was their agreement to come here and do that, and they will. But we're all in the collective awakening. But it's like some people haven't necessarily gotten the teaching that one of my favorite things from my master's is anything that disturbs your piece is sort of your curriculum, your design to work through. And it's like some people want to stay in the againstness or the anger or the judgment or the frustration of the stuff that they see in the outer reality that they may not even have any real control over and it is just part of, I call it the wrecking ball. It's like, we like, there's a wrecking ball energy happening to dismantle stuff that we all knew coming to earth was going to get dismantled at some point. And it could be a long process, it could be a shorter process. But one day, my guides said it's like, when you wake someone up, you can play a song and let them gradually wake up. You can set an alarm, or you can go and you can shake them really hard until they and they wake up. Like, what? What just happened? But it's like we are in this process collectively awakening and like, I personally think the best thing we can do is have compassion for that, because it can be really uncomfortable and we might feel a lot more, know, a lot more have, like, the ascension symptoms, which I'm always like, what's going on today? Like, I don't, I don't know. I feel like this. And so it's like to just be like, gentle. Like, I think the horses say that a lot too. Like, the horses have kind of, I feel like, in some ways, they're in their own awakening, but I also feel like they've already had some of it. So they look to us, and they're like,

it's okay, you'll be okay. Just like, go back to Yeah, and go to your basics. Of like, their basics are friends, food, you know, water, shelter, like, and they appreciate that, and they live from that. And then they spend a lot of time in meditation, a lot of time in connection, and riding between heaven and earth and so I think they have a lot like, if we really were to listen to them, they can help us navigate this awakening, evolution or ascension process much more easily. So we're not so distraught by some of the stuff we're seeing that it looks really bad in the outer but may actually be like exactly what we need.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yes, indeed. Oh, all of that. So good. So so good. Yeah, you know, I think, I think that there's such potency in us holding that space of compassion as we're all going through this process, this evolutionary process. And I love that people like you are out there spreading the messages and helping us to come back to who we are and the truth of ourselves is going to take some time, you know, the reprogramming, it's going to take some time for us to remember. But I think if we are willing to hold that compassionate space, I think, I think, I think we're on our way. I really, really believe that. And there's this little piece around, you know you had said, you know you're if anything disturbs your piece, it is your curriculum. In other words, you know those moments that have created some discomfort is like the directional signpost to say, Hey, pay attention. And I think that's just brilliant advice for all of us, because it reminds us that even the stuff that we perceive as bad or as uncomfortable, there's value in it too. And you'll hear me say that again and again, there's value in all of it. Our job is to squeeze the value out of it. And so with that in mind, I would love to know how people can connect with you. If they're like, oh, you know what? I don't I just need to talk to Kate. If I can travel to go see the horses, I will, but you will hold a container for people as well. They don't have to see you physically Kate

Yeah, for a long time, I actually coached without the horses, until they were like, You are now just coaching with us. And I do, I do virtually bring them on to zoom too, because they can transmit energy. I had to figure that out in 2020, when people weren't gonna go out in person. And I was like, okay, so I was, I found a way to bring them online, on the on the Zoom, because you can feel their energy. And there's a lot of metaphor in the work. So, like, they'll often do stuff that we need to see that I'm like, Wait, why is my horse acting like this? All of a sudden? I'm like, oh, that's either something I have to deal with inside of me, or they're doing it in that for a client that's there. And then you're like, Oh, wow. Like, that's exactly what I needed to see today. Or the it's, we always say, like, you can't make this stuff up, so I'm on right? It's like the mirroring and the metaphors are like, so obvious, you can't, you couldn't buy them. And you're also like, how do the horses know? Like, they're working in the field, right? There's like, a level of constellation work to it too, because they just pick things up and, like, expose it, illuminate it so you can't ignore it anymore, which is amazing.

Rev. Rose Hope: I love that we can virtually get a session with the horses. Yeah.

And it's so much better in person, but it is definitely awesome on on the totally, totally yeah, oh yeah. And I do think people feel them. And I love doing the animal communication work remotely, too, and then helping people with their own horses and their own animals. So

Rev. Rose Hope: okay, so you do that as well. Okay, so how can they find you? What do you have in store for our listeners?

So there's my website, which is Kateneligan.com and with 1l and then I'm Kate Neligan equine coach on Facebook and Instagram and other places. So you can find me that way. And I have an awakening with equines card deck, and I'm happy to pull one for your listeners if you want. Yes please, and yeah, I just feel like this is another way they kind of work virtually. Is like to see what, what people what quality? They're all emotional intelligence qualities. But like, What quality do we most want to work with? We'll ask for this year, year of the horse. Like, what? What comes forward? And I like people to kind of feel into that too. Oh, I love this card. This is coming up a lot today, but it's um, movement. Oh, and I love how you would butterflies, and there's a butterfly, it's the same, Oh, I love that. Yep. And this is actually the horse that got me back into horses after my 10 Year break, that I got connected to through my friend. So I love the I love the butterfly wing. So we'll see what comes up with movement. But I think for those of us who are at our desks a lot, we do have to get up and move. Around and create some flow. And I do think we are going to move pretty quick this year. I think the pace be so different.

Rev. Rose Hope: I got to tell you, the first few weeks this year have been like, whoa. What is how I feel, like I'm on the horse galloping like this right now?

Yeah, exactly. And I think part of like, there's going to be an excitement in that. But the whole thing about the fire horse too, is, like, we don't want to fire can burn us out. So what we have to do is create, I keep getting balanced, like drinking the water and, and also, you know, intentionally asking if it does get too heated or too too fast or too fiery. Like, hey, I'm just, I'm gonna slow this down, or, like, find a way to soak or, like to be in water, to to find ways to just balance it out so that way, because it can feel really fun when stuff is really fast. But like, my whole thing is, I got burnt out in corporate America, and I am still paying the price many hours later. Yeah. So I'm a big fan of, like, great drive, but like, without it, like driving us to destruction. So, so movement is the reminder that you can change the pace of the horse from walk, trot, canter and gallop.

Rev. Rose Hope: Okay, yeah, so I'm gonna get my horse to slow down a little bit,

yeah, especially. And you can say, like, I just need you to slow down for the weekend so I can rest and recalibrate, and then we can gallop again on Monday, you know? And so we do control the pace. One of the lessons the last year is I've noticed so many people take so long to get back to me sometimes, and I've always, because of my old corporate I'm like, 48 hours responding time, and then I'm like, You know what? There's a lesson in it, in like, we can control the pace of even conversations, if we want to, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: I love that you said that, like, something really landed in that that, like I do have control over the pace. Yeah, I think that that was so sweet of you to say, because I was really feeling that momentum and thinking like, oh my god, what is going to come out of this year if I'm going like this? And so it's beautiful reminder that even though I've got the movement happening, that I can still dial, adjust the dial,

yeah, because the tortoise wins the race, and it's so fun to gallop on a horse. But like, at times, it can feel if they're galloping too much, it's exhausting and or, you know, they can get heard, or it can feel scary after a while. And so, like, we have to remember, like, we have intention, and we can ask, like, can our lessons? I always say, Can my lessons come with more ease and grace and speed and like, so I can get through my lessons more quickly? And they're not so hard, you know? And, or, like, okay, you know, I'm constantly in co creation mode. Because it's a 10 year. People say it's a one year also, but it's like, we are in co creation mode. We can say, hey, spirit, like, slow down, you know? Or, like, about that client? How about one that's more like this, you know, that kind of,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah, so much more power, don't we, when we're tuned into the divine, the divine co creation energy, right? You know, it's like, oh, yeah, I do. I can control that. Oh, I do have a choice in that, right?

Exactly, 100% and like, every day is it can be like, how, you know, shape it a little bit. So what, the first part of that I wrote in the booklet is what the horse has said. So it's just a couple sentence I'll read on movement, but it says, it feels good to move. Movement is life. Our legs need to stretch. It helps keep our minds calm and centered. This is the horses riding this, but it's for us. Go on a walk, take a run, just move your body for your own happiness when you move, enjoy the sights and smells. Be an on wonder as you stretch and enjoy nature. Kind of what we talked about.

Rev. Rose Hope: It's exactly it all this tied it up so beautifully. What a perfect way to end today. So for all you listening, if you want to meet and greet with horses on Zoom, or if you are in California between San Francisco and LA, this is where Kate resides, and you can certainly look her up to see if that aligns for you, her contact information is going to be in the show notes. Everybody. Any final words, Kate, as we wrap things up today,

yeah, just enjoy connecting with horses, whether you love them or you're curious about them, because there's something especially this year for everyone in their energy, and you might just be surprised about how they can make a really awesome contribution to your life.

Rev. Rose Hope: This is such a perfect topic of conversation for this year. So I'm so glad that you came out and shared your wisdom and your beautiful horse magic with all of us today. Kate, thank you so much for thanks for having me. I'm so glad we did this. It was wonderful. And for all of you listening, I hope you really enjoyed today and got some good golden nuggets to take with you and apply to your life moving forward and until next time, take care. Be well. Bye for now, everyone.

WSC Intro/Outro: So happy you could join us today, and we hope that you found comfort and inspiration with wherever. You are at right now, if you feel you received a gift in today's message, please pass that gift along to a loved one by sharing this episode with them. To continue this conversation, please join me@rosehope.ca and when you do, be sure to access your free gift by signing up for the when Spirit calls newsletter, I'm looking forward to connecting with you again soon.