How Do You Choose? A Human Design Guide For What’s Best for You At Work, in Love and in Life with Erin Claire Jones

Erin Claire Jones: Projectors. One of the most important things for us is being invited in by people. Because we just have kind of these gifts that are so much about our perspective and not really about how much we can create and how much we can do. It's so important that the people that we're working with really recognize those gifts and really invite us in to share them. And so one thing I would encourage all the projectors listening to just reflect on is kind of reflecting on where you feel the most invited, where you feel the most recognized. Like, again, it's not about chasing after opportunities, but letting the right people see you clearly and invite you in to share your gifts. And I will say that when I first discovered this, I felt very disempowered. I was like, how do I build a business? Like, how do I just, like, sit on the couch and like, that's not what it's about. It's just, rather than kind of pitching specific people just share your gifts broadly and authentically, like Kate's doing with his podcast, and let the right people kind of resonate with your energy and come to you. And when I look back on all the most meaningful opportunities in my life, even the book, everything was born out of an invitation, even when I was really resisting it. And so it often becomes easier when we just allow that.

Hello, beautiful. Before you dive into this incredibly powerful, very special episode, I just want to let you know we have Catherine Danieli in the house. Today, Catherine is back for an episode. We actually recorded it back in January before she wrapped up her podcasting career for now and so and she was really excited to be a part of this conversation, as we're both huge fans of Erin Claire Jones, our incredible guest Erin is leading. She's one of the top Human Design practitioners, experts in the world right now, and there's something about human design and the way Erin teaches it that is absolutely beyond anything that I've seen before. She simplifies everything she how she writes, you'll feel so seen and so understood. So if you don't know what human design is, I'm just going to read a little snippet that will be below this episode, so you have a bit of an understanding human design is a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science that sheds light on a person's energetic makeup, as well as specific tools they can use to live at their happiest, healthiest and highest potential. It does not change who they are. It teaches them who they are. It offers insight into what's possible and highlights the significance of understanding and living as the fullest expression of themselves. So today, if you are listening to this episode live, may 13, 2025 Erin released her book, how do you choose a Human Design Guide for what's best for you at work, in love and in life, and the way she writes about human design, you will feel so seen, so understood. If you are confused about who you are, confused about your life purpose, the magic of your soul, the gift of who you are, which Catherine and I talk so much about on this podcast over the years, definitely, you need to have your human design read if you haven't already, check out. Aaron Claire Jones on Instagram, we're going to link everything below. You can get a copy of the book. You can get a copy of your human design blueprint on her Instagram. That will be a beautiful description of who you are. My absolute favorite part of this conversation that you're about to hear is that Erin is the epitome of a projector. She is so her a projector in alignment, I'll say she's so wise and deep and beautiful and inspiring to listen to, and her energy is just so buttery, like at the end of the episode, I was like, oh my god, I think I'm in love with you. Her episode is so buttery and smooth and beautiful and powerful, and she is just an extraordinary human so very excited to share this episode with you. Spread the word to all your friends that human design absolutely changed my life, knowing my human design in so many ways beyond probably what I can even see. So if you are ready to step into the magic of who you are, listen to this episode. Follow Erin, get all of the things and then definitely get your human design read, because it's really life changing. Enjoy the episode, and we'll see you soon.

Human Design, I'm so excited to have this conversation today, human design, I think, more than anything, on my journey like obviously, there's been so many pivotal things over the last 20 I've been on the growth journey for 20 years of self discovery and uncovering more and more and more aspects of myself. But 15 years ago, I discovered my human design as a projector in a generator world. For those of you who don't know what that means, Aaron will explain more later, but it changed my life in unfathomable ways, like I think I would be dead right now if I was still living how I used to live, and believing everything I used to believe without knowing my human design. And, and I don't know how many years ago, but somebody sent me Aaron. Aaron Claire Jones is on the podcast today, as you know, and somebody sent me your writing. I don't know how long have you been in business. Let's just start

Erin Claire Jones: there. I've been sharing since. I've been doing this since 2015 but I probably started sharing more in 2017 2018

Okay, so probably, I'm guessing, like around COVID time is when I uncovered you. Maybe I can trace it back on Instagram, but someone kept sending one of my friends kept sending me over and over again, different things for a projector, things that you wrote. And I was like, Who is this woman? And then I started sharing you with clients, and clients started getting your blueprint and downloading that. And the first time I read, I still don't have a blueprint, but one of my clients brought hers to my retreats that I do in Greece. I live in Greece, if you don't, we're just meeting for the first time. So, and she brought her blueprint to Greece, and I read the first page. That is the gift of who she is. And however, the first page is summarized, and I bawled, and I was like, This couldn't be more true for who you are, and that is the gift of human design. This episode, may it crack open the hearts of every woman and let you know that you can discover The Gift of who you are through this vehicle, and Aaron, the way that you teach it, write about it, the it is like Tim. I mean, I've I've had so many readings, and I've learned so much from your profile and from your writing and from your teachings. And now you're launching this book and taking it to the next level of helping people comprehend how to apply it to their lives. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you, and just wanted to start there of how we came across you.

Erin Claire Jones: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here, you know, and it's fun because I had a baby last year, and I've been kind of keeping it quiet with working on the book. And so this is actually the first podcast that I'm recording this year, and I'm about to go on like a bajillion. So this is just like a fun this is such a sweet, wonderful beginning. I'm

glad we're not getting you at the burnt out later. That's amazing.

I got into human design thanks to Kate, because Kate really has been the Human Design junkie. Should we call you groupie? I

mean, hundreds and hundreds of charts. Like, every time I meet anyone, I'm like, What's your time ever so let's

do the what is human design, and then Aaron, how it you found it and what it did for you,

Erin Claire Jones: of course. So human design is a system based on your time, date and place of birth that reveals how you are wired to thrive in every part of your life, from how you make decisions to how you work best, to how you communicate in relationships to the food you're meant to eat. It really is just an amazing tool to give you a roadmap that's totally custom and totally personalized to you in a way that I think is really rare. And I think, you know, similar to the experience you had, Kate, with your client, human design is so specific. People read it and they're like, oh my god, like you just put words to my inner experience in a way that I've never had access to. So I think it just gives people, more than anything, such permission to be themselves in every part of their lives. I have been, like I said, working with human design Since 2015 it was definitely not my plan. You know, I studied entrepreneurship. I was working at a startup when I discovered it, but I basically met a stranger who read my human design chart. And was it me? Yeah, and it was such a confronting and relieving experience all at once. I felt like he again, gave me words to my experience in a way that I just had never felt or had but I also felt very confronted, because I think similar to you, Kate, it sounds like I was so not living my design, and so to have somebody just present a totally alternative way of living was like, Is that actually possible. And it was actually this incredibly cosmic moment, because after he did this reading for me, he suggested that I become a human design reader and study with him. It was like a whole crazy thing. And this was also at a time when human design was not trendy, not cool. No one knew what it was, but he kind of observed a lot in my design that that, for to him, kind of indicated a lot of indicated a lot of potential, and he had a really strong gut feeling about it.

And so where was where was this? Where is that? Where you live?

Erin Claire Jones: I moved out of the city upstate two years ago, 334, years ago. Who knows time, but I lived in New York City for 12 years before that. Wow.

Okay, projector in New York City. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones: was intense. So I think that we so he became my first teacher, he became my first mentor, he became my business partner. And it's how it all started. It's obviously taken a lot of different shapes and turns since then, but, you know, my design, which I'm sure we'll talk about, because it's kids, too. Is all about being invited into things, and having somebody see my potential and invite me into an opportunity. And so the way that I was brought into human design was very much that meeting a stranger who said you're meant to do this, and it feeling right to me. And so I leaned into it. I didn't think I'd be doing it 10 years later, but here I am.

Wow. So let's hear the four types.

Erin Claire Jones: So in human design, there's so much information, it can be a little bit overwhelming at first. You might look up your chart, and you can do that if you haven't already. That was my experience. Yeah, you look it up, you're like, what are all those numbers and colors and lines and what is that? And I'll just shut it down, you know, I don't need to look at it so. But there's a lot of juicy information if you keep going. So at the highest level in human design, there are five different types, some say for you know, either work, but there are generators, manifesting generators, projectors, manifestors and reflectors. So some people group kind of generators and manifesting generators together. You guys ought to talk a little bit about each

of the types. Yeah. Okay, just for people that don't know, of course.

So let me Sorry. Can we? Can we can play with that. I'm a manifesting generator, and Kate is a projector. Although we do need to acknowledge what happens in motherhood to a manifesting generator, because we can talk about all the types. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones: let's, well, let's talk about manifesting generators first, and then let's talk about and generators. Who will talk about those two? And then we'll, I'd love to hear kind of what's happening in what's happening in motherhood, because I'm sure that will be useful for so many people. I feel like, I just a quick aside. I feel like my Instagram posts, I like, share a thing of, like, the ideal day for manifesting generation, like people would be like, not as a mom, and I've been, you know, and now I'm like, as a mom, I'm like, Oh, I get, you know, it's like, it's early days are hard, and early days last a long time. So manifesting generators and generators are really natural doers. These are people that have so much energy and power to kind of build, create and make things happen when they feel genuinely excited by what they're working on. And so one of the biggest lessons for both these types, and it's very simple but pretty powerful, is just to really prioritize the things that satisfy you. When you feel genuinely excited, like I said, Your energy is boundless. But because generators and manifesting generators are so naturally capable and resourceful, people can want them to kind of do everything so they can just end up burden with all these responsibilities and feel totally burnt out. And so one big reminder is, the more lit up you are, the more energy you have for yourself, your kids and everyone around you often manifesting generators. And generators do their best when they kind of use up their energy throughout the day in ways that kind of fully, like, take it all out of them and that feel very satisfying. And they drop into bed like, like they left it all in the field, you know? And that's when they can kind of often sleep best and wake up recharge. Generators specifically, often love kind of mastering and diving deep into one thing, and they kind of have this very steadfast, committed energy, manifesting generators. On the other hand, like you are quite multi passionate, you're not really meant to choose one thing and stick with it forever. You're meant to try things on and let them go and move on and pivot and change and shape shift. And this can obviously be confusing to others that they don't get that's how you work. So it's important those around you kind of understand that this is a very natural part of who you are. It's not an indication of being flaky. It's just you need a lot of simulation and freshness and change. I would also say, as a manifesting generator, you move very fast, and so one big lesson for you is to not expect others to move at your pace, because you will likely be quite disappointed. And the last piece that I would share for both generators and manifesting generators is that when it comes to creating new opportunities in your life, whether it's looking for a romantic partner or a job or a podcast guest, you're not really meant to go chase after things and be like this is what I want. It's more about just seeing what shows up in your world and what naturally sparks your gut and what you naturally feel pulled towards. And sometimes that can be totally unexpected, you know, like a job posting might come up and you're like, that's never what I thought, but something my body is telling me, I must pursue that. So you're kind of meant to let that natural instinct be your compass. So I'm curious, I guess, both how that all feels to you, whether it resonates or not, fine if it doesn't, and secondly, how that's been impacted in motherhood. I

mean, that's the story of my life. That is the story of my life. I started my business at 25 years old, and I'm now 37 and because I watched someone else do it, and it was like, Oh, cool. That looks like fun. I had never even known about coaching. I had a master's degree and was working at a nonprofit at the time, and was not lit up by that at all. I was passionate about it, but I wasn't lit up. And then the next thing I know, I think I, like, maybe two months later, said that I was gonna have coach and have practice clients, and I had like, 15 people, and I created multiple programs, had endless energy. Was sparked by a lot of things. Kate invited me to the podcast. We actually just recorded our anniversary episode and said how it started, and that was it. My whole body lit up like she said, Do you want to do this with me? And it was absolutely yes. Obviously, the biggest thing in motherhood is I don't have endless. Energy like that. That is gone. Yeah, my multi passionate is clear. We are recording this episode, as you know, being released in May. But I actually have left the new truth podcast. This is now Kate's podcast. So that's something that happened in motherhood, mostly because with the no longer having endless energy, I actually feel it's gonna make me cry, because I don't think I've said it out loud and felt this. Yet, what's happened in motherhood is be I've actually now been an honoring of the energy I do have, and that it becomes impossible to do something that doesn't light me up, whereas before, I had endless energy. So I did say yes to a lot of things, and I was really capable and was willing to do things for people. And then now in motherhood, it's like I actually felt like I was gonna die doing things that did not feel aligned. That's not how I felt about the podcast, but it was the it just felt complete, like it was, Oh, my energy is precious now. So I've become way more discerning, but that, yes, I go insane staying at home all day. And so I have also left my business because I was just at home all day with clients, and then breastfeeding in between and being with my baby. Being with my baby, you know, very part time, but I left my business because now it's I need to be out in the world, and I'm going to build women's circles in my community and do advocacy work from others. And that's what's

Erin Claire Jones: happened. I have a daughter knocking at my door. I'm like, gosh, I hear that I do think there's really something about motherhood where it's like, I know I too. I feel like, before motherhood, I was like, I can kind of like, keep making these things happen, but I feel like it just like, becomes impossible. It's just like, unless it's 100% and like, there's just it's not available for it. And one thing I would just say for manifesting generator parents is, yeah, your energy is probably not going to be as endless as it was before. However, I worked a lot of manifesting generative parents that have actually kind of like put their passions to the side during motherhood, because they're like, I've got so many other things to do, and I can't prioritize those things. And something they often forget is that when they actually create small pockets to focus on those things, it gives them more energy to do everything else, you know. And so I think it is kind of a relearning of this lesson, often for these parents of like, prioritizing things that really excite me. It's not a selfish thing. It's not like it's actually not a bad thing for my kids at all. It's going to make me such a better parent, you know, so, and that can happen at any point. It doesn't sound like you're necessarily having that issue, but I've worked with so many moms where that they feel a lot of guilt around that one it's actually the best thing they can do. Thing they

can do. No, I was, I could clearly feel what was giving me energy, but it was being with my daughter, but then being in my gifts of leading circles and doing advocacy work from others and talking about, you know, what had happened in matressions, so

Erin Claire Jones: beautiful. Thank you for sharing. So projectors, that's going to be you, Kate, projectors are quite different. I'm curious how working together has been, because you guys are opposite in so many ways. Projectors are really here to be leaders, guides, teachers, you know, very natural coaches, very natural kind of managers, CEOs, like people that really have a bird's eye perspective on how things are, and they're so deeply attuned to people and so sensitive kind of other people's energy, which is what makes them such excellent guides and such amazing stewards of others. One big lesson for us as projectors, I two, and one is that, you know, we just don't have the energy to consistently Go, go, go, even when we're so lit up and so on fire by what we're doing. And so our energy can naturally ebb and flow. And so often we are at our best when we really build in moments of pause and rest and space in our days. And like you said, I think at the beginning, Kate, don't try to kind of keep up with all the generators and manifesting generators around us, because while we can maybe pull it off for little moments of time, it ultimately leads to burnout projectors. One of the most important things for us is being invited in by people. Because we just have kind of these gifts that are so much about our perspective and not really about how much we can create and how much we can do. It's so important that the people that we're working with really recognize those gifts and really invite us in to share them. And so one thing I would encourage all the projectors listening to just reflect on is kind of reflecting on where you feel the most invited, where you feel the most recognized. Like, again, it's not about chasing after opportunities, but letting the right people see you clearly and invite you in to share your gifts. And I will say that when I first discovered this, I felt very disempowered. I was like, how do I build a business? Like, how do I just, like, sit on the couch and like, that's not what it's about. It's just, rather than kind of pitching specific people, just share your gifts broadly and authentically, like Kate's doing with his podcast, and let the right people kind of resonate with your energy and come to you. And I when I look back on all the most meaningful opportunities in my life, even the book, everything was born out of an invitation, even when I was really resisting it. And so it often becomes easier when we just allow. About that. Kate, how does that all feel to you?

100% accurate. I mean, moving to Europe, which happened on a whim, everything, and it was an invitation. Everything has been like I was, I was, it was COVID, 2021, I couldn't I've our audience has heard the story a million times, but it was a divine moment where Greece was a red zone during COVID. Couldn't fly my flight path to I was going to Costa Rica for the winter and then back to Vancouver, Canada, where I'm from. I was meeting my mom and dad in California, because they were there for like, a little bit in the winter. And I was doing a stopover, and then heading and I had been in Greece leading retreats. I was here for a couple months. I always spent time in Greece. I've been leading retreats here for seven years, eight years now, or nine maybe. But so this is back in 2021 couldn't get on an airplane, went to my friend's house, tried to rebook my flight, and I wasn't vaccinated, so I couldn't go through Canada. I had to actually fly through Europe. So it was like spending all this time rejigging my flight to get to Costa Rica and skip the California part. And my friend was like, Well, why are you going to Costa Rica? Why don't you just move to Athens? You want to live in Europe. You love Greece. You do retreats here. Why don't you move here? And I was like, what? Oh, and I always dreamed of living in Europe, and it just like something lit up in my body, and I moved I went to Costa Rica for a few months because it was cold here, and booked a round trip ticket. And on a whim, my parents moved me out of my apartment, like I didn't even go home it, but it was an invitation that was so clear, emotional authority. So I did book the round trip ticket right away, but I was just going to let it unfold, and I didn't even know there was a visa for me, like it was so divine. But Aaron, every single facet of my business, like that I have developed over the years. Everything from me starting my business was an invitation, like everything the podcast. I had many and you need a podcast. You need. I used to do talks around North America. People are like, you need a pot. Like, you need a pot. Like, what's the podcast? I kept hearing it over and over again. Then finally I was like, I need a podcast. Went home, told my partner, he's like, we Catherine and I shared this on our five year anniversary episode back in January. And like, just every single thing I've done in writing the book now be writing the book in Africa. I was recording an episode with the owner of this place where I do retreats in Kenya, and she invited me to do their artist in residence program, to work on my book. Like every single thing of my purpose has been invited, everything, studying, coaching, studying coaching, everything, everything, wow,

Erin Claire Jones: yeah, well, it's also, I think, such a good reminder that, you know, when I share people's human design with them, like they can do whatever they can do whatever they want. They don't have to listen to it. They can go initiate they can chase after but like, I think our design reveals a just much more easeful way of doing things that can sometimes lead us down unexpected paths, but those paths are often so much more fulfilling and so much more magical than the ones we could have imagined. You know, so just really trusting it. It really kind of allows us to trust ourselves in a whole different kind of way. Okay, exactly. Amazing. So the two other types are manifesters and reflectors. These are two of the rarest types. So just so you guys have context generators and manifesting generators collectively make up about 70% this doesn't make you not rare. It's because every other part of your design is so distinct. Just know that kind of that's the highest level. This is because we have a world of doers and creators and builders, projectors, about 20% manifest is about nine, and reflectors, about one. So manifesters are really here to be disruptors, initiators, innovators. These are people that are not here to be told what to do or guided or led by anyone else but themselves, like they're really here to just see what arises within them and just go make totally new things happen. You know, they often have a very kind of bold, provocative, intense energy. You know, my youngest, my three month old, as a manifester. And it's so funny, my husband, the other day, was like, she's so intense. I'm like, I know you can already feel it, you know. But these people are just, you know, they really are here to do things differently, here to do things their own way. I would say core value for manifestors is freedom. You know, they are at their best when they're free to kind of set the terms for how they do things and when I've seen them thrive best career wise, when they either work for themselves or if they're in a job that affords them a lot of freedom within their kind of area of responsibility, their energy, similar to projectors, in some way, ebbs and flows, so but it's not really a daily thing. They're kind of might have a spark of energy that lasts them months or weeks or days or hours, and then kind of followed up by a need to kind of rest and pause and slow down. And so for them, it's really acting when the inspiration is there and kind of resting when it's not. And part of why rest is so essential for manifestors Is that rest is where new ideas are born. If they keep going, going going, they actually don't make themselves available for new ideas to arrive. So just know, as a manifester, like that's when kind of all the juice and inspiration tends to land. And manifesters, they're not really here to wait for anything to come to them when the urge comes. They're just meant to follow that and make it happen. And the one last piece that I would share is. That this might be annoying for manifesters who are listening, but it's also often helpful to keep the people around you in the loop of what you're choosing and when it can feel inconvenient. It can feel annoying, but it often allows you to make things happen with a lot more ease, because people feel kind of respected and included in your process. It's not about explaining yourself, just giving people a heads up. Do you guys know any manifestors? Yes, oh

yes, yeah, for sure. I love the freedom. Disruptor energy, so true. Yeah. Love it.

Erin Claire Jones: It's so fun to be around, you know, especially when they really feel that freedom to kind of be whoever they are and take a lot of space, because they're so powerful. Very powerful. The final type is a reflector. This is the rarest type, 1% and these people think of them like our collective mirrors. These are people that are incredibly sensitive to their physical space, and they're always taking in and kind of magnifying the energy that they're around. That means that if they're working around a team that's really energized, and they're going to have so much energy, if they're working around a team that's kind of on the verge of burnout, they too will feel sluggish and exhausted. So it makes it so essential for reflectors to really be around spaces and people that feel very nourishing and uplifting and energizing to them. We call them evaluators often, because they just kind of see sense and feel things that no one else does. And so they will often thrive like projectors in some way, in environments where they feel really invited in to kind of share what they see, because they often can kind of see what's amiss and what needs to be improved. And the last piece that I would share for reflectors is that they are meant to shape shift in so many ways throughout their life. You know, like they might be like a passion really lights them up for six months, and then six years later, they're in a different place, or 10 months later, whatever it is that they're just meant to keep evolving and like showing up in however feels authentic in that moment, and not try to put themselves into one box, because that's almost impossible.

Wow, oh, I'm so glad you shared all that. I don't know much about reflectors, but one of my dear friends who I one of my Greek besties, who I boot like it was her boyfriend who said I should move here. She's a reflector, the only reflector I know, and she is color. She does color palettes and like style, like helping people dress in alignment with who they really are. And she's so gifted like it. I mean, she's taking me shopping. She's helped me revamp everything she she her like, everything she wears, everything she sees, but she can do it with interior design, with anything like she's just so gifted at seeing what needs to be refined and and it's, it's incredibly beautiful to witness. So that makes so much sense hearing the definition or that you're just your description. Because I've seen others, but I haven't really felt like I understood a reflector till now.

Erin Claire Jones: Yeah, I love that. You know, it's funny when in the book, I talk about kind of popular roles for each type, but interior designer is one of the ones for reflectors, because they are just so a two new physical space and kind of know what needs to happen. And honestly, like, I don't think I had a concept for, like, somebody who worked in color palettes and styling based on that, but it also totally makes sense, you know, because they just, like, our sensing things that some people don't see, and can often kind of curate things really beautifully because of

that. Yeah, exactly. That's so Maria, yeah. Have you met Maria? Catherine? No, no, okay, yeah, that's her. And I

don't know any reflectors, yeah? Or maybe they know it, and I do. I was like, I was like, they revealed themselves yet, and I just am, you know, I'm so I'm just so blown away by this system, in the sense that we started this, the new truth podcast, because we were told that there's only one way to do relationships, and that's what we were busting, right? That it's like the fairy tale, Disney. Fairy Tale is not how relationships work and what human design gave me. I'm still learning, you know, my whole chart. But the like, oh, like the celebration of how unique we actually all are, you know. So I love this, you know, how do you choose? And using your book, right? And using human design to influence your choices in career and relationships. I mean, we had astrology reading once where some the woman was, like, Catherine, it's in your chart that, like, you're gonna get married and, and that's it, like forever, like you're like, designed, like to, you know, be with one person. It's like, that's not in Kate's chart, you know. And how many women make themselves wrong for not looking like their friend or like fitting the script of what life, you know, has said. So I just, I'd love now to share, like, the like, how you how the invitation for the book, right? And this, this topic, came through, and what feels the most important for you around what people are going to receive from having this book and this information?

Erin Claire Jones: Yeah, thanks for asking that. I think that let me share about the book first, and then I'll share about because it's fun. I think that, you know, I've been sharing and teaching about human design for 10 years, and I've sat with many 1000s of people and been able to teach a lot of human design coaches now and guides. And I think what's been so fun for me is that I learned so much from books and studying, and I've taken every course that exists. You know, I've learned as much as I can, but I feel like my most powerful. Learning has come from conversations with people, from sitting with a manifesting gender and projector and hearing what it's like to be married to each other, what it's like to work together, what it's like to parent a manifester, you know, like what it's like to find a job that really works for them. And so I think what felt really important to me in creating this book was not just to do what all the human design books, which I love do, which is like, this is how it works, and this is the system, but to actually tell the story of the system in a way that I feel like hasn't been done yet, you know. And so the intention with how do you choose is how to make empowered decisions in every area of your life, using human design, specifically in career and relationship, but through the lens of story, you know. So I of course, tell you what it means to be manifesting generated, and what that should look like in a job and in a relationship, but also what I've seen in all my manifesting generator clients, people that are married and manifesting generators. And so I think that if people are looking to actually use human design as a tool to live their best life, it's the right place. If somebody wants to, like, learn all the intricacies of it, that's not what the book is for. I have lots of offerings others do for that, but it's really about, how can you actually use this tool to actually experience transformation in every part of your life? Because I did, and I've seen clients do it, you know, i The moment I discovered human design, everything in my life started to change, you know, in terms of how I related to community and met my partner and built a business. And so I really want to kind of offer people that opportunity to actually use the system, because, I think similar to, probably you guys, like, I've discovered so many amazing assessment tools in the past, and I feel like I get all this juicy information, I get super excited, and then I'm like, now, what you know? And so, like, I think with this book, I really wanted to make it clear that, like, there is a now what there are very practical things you can actually do to start to find more flow in every part of

your life. Amazing. Wow. Who is your partner? What's, what's his type? Oh, he's a generator. I was gonna say that would be fun to just know, yeah, and

Erin Claire Jones: he was, and it was funny. I will say, as a projector. I don't know what your experience Kate has been like, but I think that, like, I never felt like I was very good at dating, like I just wasn't really good at, like, the surface level stuff. I think projectors often just, like, love depth, and they love depth. And they love, kind of like these deep, one on one, intimate connections. And you know, my husband was my best friend. And so, like, he was my best friend for four years. He witnessed me through so many wild relationship journeys in my own life. And I think I kind of came to a point where I was like, I feel the most seen by this person, like, why would I not just be with him? You know? And so it was so and I tell the story of that in the book as well, but it is so funny, kind of knowing that so much of my design is around being recognized, recognized and feeling seen. And that is definitely how my relationship

came about. Wow, so beautiful. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones: and the book, I'll just say, like also came about through an invitation. You know, I think that I wanted to write a book for a long time, and never felt like the right time. I had a very specific agent in mind, which, as projectors, is not often the right way to do it, because he she'd represented a lot of my friends. But then this other agent reached out, and she was like, I think that you should write a book. And, you know, and so I talked to her, and she just made me feel so seen. She got the vision so clearly. And I was like, why am I going to go pitch and try to convince this other person when, like, this woman just gets it, you know. And, you know, I spent eight months writing the proposal, and at a certain point, this editor, acquisitions editor at HarperCollins, reached out and was like, I think you should write a book. And I was like, Well, I'm working on it, you know, you'll know soon. But she also, I was like, I love this woman. I don't know who she is, but she's so cool. And so we went through the whole process, you know, we talked to eight publishers. We like kind of and then, you know, the the best offer, the right offer for us, was from this woman, you know. So we talked to all the people, but it was just so funny where I was like, that's how it all happens, like it's the woman who invited me in before she even knows, writing a book. And so it just feels like that's been so much of my journey, and like I can still pitch and talk to all the other people, and I probably will always go through that process, just to kind of like remind myself again, that the invitation is always meant to be my guide, but it's, it's how it all unfolded.

Yeah, wow, that's amazing. Oh my gosh, so many of the things you're saying. I want to rewind to the part where you said you've learned the most from learning different dynamics between people like that. Just feels it makes so much sense and feels so significant. Like, how does this configuration work? How does this configuration work? How does this configuration work? And, yeah, just, that's so cool. I love it. And then I'm like, oh shit, I guess I have to wait for an invitation for my book, for the publishing part, but that's incredible. And also thinking, I want to see human design. I want parents to learn their kids human design. I think we would have a very, very different world. And I'm sure you probably agree, as a parent, both of you, we would have a very different world if parents were raising their children on honoring their kids human designs. Yeah,

Erin Claire Jones: yeah. I mean, you know, the founder of human design raw who's no longer alive, he always said that he's like, you know, human design can be applied to so many parts of our lives, you know. And I focus specifically on career and relationships and actually parenting in the book, as well as as well. But, like, I. I think that he always said the most powerful place was always parenting, you know, because he's like, we often feel so much permission to be ourselves from day one, and then we kind of get conditioned out of it. We're like, oh, I should do it like them, and I should do it like them. And then you kind of lose touch with what really feels right to you, and then hopefully we return to it later in life. But when you're giving kids permission to be who they are from day one, you're kind of giving them that permission slip, you know, I always think it's the biggest it's the biggest gift when I get to sit with somebody in their 20s, because they're often in this moment of searching, and they're just like, Wait, what are you going to be me? Like, that's okay. And I don't know what your experience has been. Catherine, do you know the design of

your child? She's a generator, and my husband's a generator. Oh, lots of energy

Erin Claire Jones: in your house. Yeah. Do you notice that stuff like,

Oh yeah, yeah, one of the first things actually was around sleep, right? And her not sleeping, and then realizing, Oh, she's not using her energy during the day. And like, looking at how we were spending our days, and that some of my friends were happy to just have their kid, like, we could just sit at home, and it was fine and, like, that's my kid. Cannot do that, and she needs to use her body. Yeah, she really needs to use her body to be able to sleep. Well, that was, like, just one. I mean, I, like, gave birth, and was texting my friends the time, like, like, within five minutes of giving birth, and I had my human I think Kate did Madeline chart within five minutes of her being born, and then my best friend did her astrology chart. So, so out of the gate with Andrew, like we were looking at that. But I think, yeah, what's also true is, like temperament. I mean, it'd be, if I look back now, I had a difficult postpartum, but, um, the temperament of the infant is very different than what happens when they're a toddler. You know. And like watching it, you know, Bloom, but I can't wait to share it with her like I can't wait for her to know who she is and know that she's enough, and that none of us are designed to do it like anyone else, and that it's the gift our parenting supposed to give them right permission to be themselves.

And what a parenting gift, to have a blueprint for your kid and to be able to see like, Oh, these are her gifts. Oh, that's why she's like that. Oh, that. Like everything in my chart describes why I'm the way I am. So if my parents had that when I was a kid, they wouldn't have been like, stop trying to, like, go sit down, stop trying to perform or be whatever. Like, all the little things that I did, they're in my chart, and I got shut down from them, and I came from a loving home, like, I just think, like, how much of our conditioning just squashes who we really are. My niece is two and a half same. Actually. They're born a couple weeks apart. She's a manifesting generator and and there's already been talk people, not my side of the family, but there's been like, Oh, she might. She probably has. ADHD, we're on the lookout. And I'm like, how many kids that have been given drugs for ADHD actually are just manifesting generators. This is why it needs to be in the hands of all parents and schools where kids are understood for who they are. And I think,

Erin Claire Jones: like, even, and this is why it's so useful in romantic relationships and business partnerships, as well as, like, I think even as a parent, to just be like, they're different than me. Like, just because I experience things this way doesn't mean that they will like, you know, I'm a projector. My two daughters are manifesting generators and manifestors. Like, opposite, you know, my husband's a generator. I've got no other projectors here, and I grew up in a family with all manifestors in one projector, you know. So, like, it just, it's such an interesting dynamic, because I'm kind of entering this experience with both of my daughters. Of like, I have no expectation they'll be anything like me. You know, it doesn't mean that they won't be, but I also, like, I'm going to see if it happens and and even with my second daughter, it's so funny because I'm also, like, so immediately confronted with the fact that I'm like, This is not my first, like, you guys are. And it's so funny being a manifester, because they're really here to be the first. And like, they kind of like, just need to be free. And like, are my mentors or daughter, like, sort of rolling at like, two months, you know, when she's just like, get me out of the swaddle. Like she was just, like, such a different experience, where I was like, Oh, this like, girl cannot be contained, you know. And like, I It's already a parent. So anyways, I think it's, it's such an amazing tool in every part of our lives, but I think it really is so useful for parenting, and again, not in a way where it's like, this kid must be this thing, but more like, let me just be open to like who you are, and not expect you to be anything like me, and just kind of let you unfold naturally.

Yeah, it has been such a gift being in business relationship with someone is not like me. Like, actually, that's been the best like and I think that's why people have loved our podcast for five years. Like, loved it because we were different. Um, I will say I took on every step, every logistical admin partner. I thought of

that when she described the manifesto to take on everything and then feel bad

later, I was like, there was a, whoops. There

was no conversation about it. She just took it

on,

I know, but then, but then we like shit, like it was like a, oh, wait, I could feel the dissatisfaction, right? And what was happening inside of me, and then reset. But then there have been times where I would get caught. Up and something Kate like, I'd like, over I'd be overthinking, and then Kate would just be like, like this, and like, oh, then I could see, like, what she could see, right? That true, like, bird's eye view envisioned, and stop wasting time. So it's been when I think about manifesting Jenner that I moved so fast, I would move so fast on Kate's seeing, right? And like, then we would, we would go, and she would respond so much to my my energy, and that's why a podcast together, because she's a conversations and invitation, right? That's what's happening, right in a conversation. So,

Erin Claire Jones: yeah, it's, well, I just love that you say that, because I think that often, when I sit with people, whether they're business partners or romantic partners, there's often, like, they come to me, they're feeling really frustrated. There's a lot of friction, and it's often just because they're expecting the other person to be the same. And so the minute that they realize that they're really different, that they make decisions at a different pace, you know that they like, have different needs during the day, they might want to collaborate less, whatever it is, like, there's just a sense of like, oh, like, this can actually be incredibly fun because we are so different. So I just love that you're coming at it with that perspective, because it's amazing to work with people of different types, you know. And that's kind of the ideal scenario, but it requires that awareness that like, they can't be like me, you know. And like for you, for example, Catherine, if you're expecting everyone to, like, move as fast and do as much and handle as much like, it's just going to be disappointing, you know. And then same with you, Kate, if you like, expect others to like, see everything in the way that you do. It's going to be, like, unrealistic. And so it's just helpful to be like, how can we actually support each other in being different?

And I think because we knew our human design from the beginning, like we've always she's like, Kate, you're a projector. You're exhausted because you're not stopping. Stop. But like, you know, and me moving to Europe has been tremendous for being a projector, because my clients are in North America mostly, so I don't actually work till 3pm so I have like my mornings, I go to Pilates, I go to my coffee shop. As long as I want to rest, I relax like I have such spaciousness in my life. I was also thinking when you were sharing that the dynamic with relationships, my last partner, my former partner of seven years, who I was with when we birthed the podcast and when I birthed my business, he's a manifesting generator. And when I started my business, he used to lecture me and be he now has, he has a Michelin restaurant. It just got Michelin star a couple years ago, and several other restaurants that he opened when we were together. So we both were birthing our businesses at the same time, which is kind of the purpose of our relationship. But I remember when I started my business and I quit, I quit my job because I burnt out. I was a speaker, teacher, head trainer for another company, burnt out, like hardcore, took six months off, and then my business got invited into it and started it. And at the beginning he was like, he come home from work and be like, you're not working hard enough. You're not doing enough manifesting generator like you need to like, not yelling at me, but he was like, if you want to be serious about having a business like you got to do. And then one day, my friend came over that was a business coach that he couldn't hear it from me. I kept being like, I'm a projector. You don't understand that. I kept trying to explain it to him. And then my friend Marla, who we had on the podcast recently, said, Jeff Kate, doing three calls is the equivalent to you working a 14 hour day as a projector. So that's her capacity. It's different. She explained the difference between the two, and he was like, oh. And then he totally shifted gears and started supporting me being a projector. It was, yeah, it's wild. It

Erin Claire Jones: is. It's just like these simple reframes where it's just like, oh, like, you're not like me, and like, what's working for me is not going to work for you. And I think similar kind of the idea that birth this podcast, like it just we're all so unique, and all human design does is give us a framework and language to really understand what those things are, you know, and what we specifically need. But I love that story, and I'm also laughing, because in the book, when I talk about the kind of popular roles, one of the ones we're manifesting, where manifesting generators is like a restaurant tour, because it is kind of like managing and opening all these often is so satisfying for the manifesting generators. So wow, and that you guys are offering all these examples, and I'm like, yeah, that is right, yeah.

I'd love to give some air time about relationships, right? So this is the career in relationships is the core focus of the book. What are like, at least the beginning, or anything you want to share about using human design for your relationships, yeah, before they can go buy the book.

Erin Claire Jones: Yeah. So I think, well, the things that I focus on in the book are, you know, kind of what your needs will be in a specific relationship, and kind of how to support people of different types. Also, kind of how to find and your way into better relationships, or, you know, whether it's romantic or community, whatever it is, and also how to kind of make decisions individually and collectively in relationships. Because I think one thing that we also, you know, and I'm curious, actually, for you guys, we can use you as an example, is that people make decisions so differently, and people can be really frustrated with their partners or their business partners, when they're just like, why don't you know it as fast as me, or in the same way as me, when we're just different. So like, for example, you know for you Catherine, you're actually meant to be quite fast in your decision making. It's meant to be instantaneous in your gut. That's not to say that you trust that, but that is like, what your design says you're meant to do, whereas Kate's meant to really kind of sleep on things and will. Her things and take her time. So have you guys noticed that dynamic at all in your partnership? Yeah,

oh yeah. And it's backfired when Kate tries to make it make a decision this

past Oh yeah. So many times we've made decisions where we, like, try to hire people, or, like, have people on the podcast, around

having people on the podcast, yeah, yeah. And and partnered with each of our truths around navigating how we trust ourselves, you know, like, just because you know it. I mean, I'm still having this experience that, like I'm experiencing a knowing in my body. I mean, I will say the only knowing I've listened to is around how I parent. Like, I've always been clear from the second winter I was born, but my life decisions. I'm like, Oh, it was, is that really Yes, though, or is that an like, you know, it's been a journey, but Kate responding to the fastest. It's like, if I respond first, but then if we let Kate brave and like, have the emotional experience, like, then it's gone well. And, you know, we did just share, in five years, we've almost never not had the same, like, we've never interviewed someone where, like, Kate loved them and I didn't, or like, vice versa, like we've almost always been the same. And, you know, I just realized Kate too me leaving the podcast was the invitation into you doing it on your own. Like, that's what I invited like, I said, my truth is this is complete for me, and I see that you're meant to do it on your own. And after five years of not feeling like that was true and being insecure about it, she's now freaking blowing up with ideas and what she's gonna do and how she's gonna do it, and how wonderful it's it's going to be. And created a whole new business model in the month of since I told her,

Erin Claire Jones: yeah, I love that, yeah, and I think that, like, there's just so and I love that, because I think, you know, just to kind of talk about another example with you guys, I think it's really helpful. Or one of my attention the book was like, how can you actually support people of different types? How can you read this book, not only for yourself, but for your partner and your kid and know how to best support them, like, for example, with Kate as a projector, she's somebody who's probably going to really do well with words of affirmation and very specific recognition, like you offered her. Catherine, of like, I really see your potential. I love the way that you do this, and I think what what you experienced, Kate, you know, correct me, if I'm wrong, is that when you feel very genuinely recognized and really seem like it gives you so much energy and sparks so much inspiration. That's been our relationship in a nutshell. 100%

our relationship in a nutshell. Yeah, that's what she's done for me the whole time. Yeah, right. And it's

Erin Claire Jones: such a good sign that you're in the right place. And I think that, like some people might not need words of affirmation, they might kind of not need that recognition, but as projectors, we do, and so it's useful to understand that your partner does indeed need that. It feels like Catherine you just Catherine, you just intuited that, and like, we're already aware of that, but like, that's going to be the thing that fuels Kate, you know, whereas for Catherine, like, because Catherine, as a manifesting generator, is so prone to taking on so much, it is really important. And I experience this being married with generator is like, they've also got to feel recognized for, like, everything they're handling, and they need to feel like their satisfaction and their excitement is, like, a real priority, you know, and like, and I remember I one story in the book of like, two generators that are married to each other, and like, their biggest love language is like them giving each other permission to kind of go off and do the things they love, where it's like, go work out in the yard. I know you need it, or like, go work on your book, whatever it is. But like them getting permission to be like, I'm gonna go have, like, uninterrupted time to kind of do the thing I love most is, like, the best thing that they can be given. And so I think it's just really useful to know, like, what are different ways you can kind of love on and support and communicate with different types in a way that really resonates with who they are.

I love that and how many relationships or people just want to change the other person so they feel better like or try and make the person more like them, and how beautiful that there's this guide, this book, and today is the release day. We haven't even said that yet. Congratulations, the day, not, obviously, not the day we're recording, but the day we're releasing this episode. Happy birthday to you, and happy birthday to me. It's both of our birthdays in between, on the either side of your release day. And I'm I'm so excited for this book to be in the world. I'm going to give it to everyone. I am so excited. But like to have that guide on how can you love the people in your life more by honoring who they are and by honoring yourself and who you are, rather than the old model that everyone's doing just because they weren't given a guide, they weren't given a manual. So everyone's just like blaming and shaming and trying to change and try and change themselves. And I think of like as women all the the comparisons like, how, how many projectors on planet Earth, just as an example, that don't know their projectors, and that are beating themselves up because they're tired all the time, they don't know why, and they're trying to work like their colleagues. And, you know, I have a client who is amazing. She's super successful in the corporate world and doing so well, but she's, like, totally attracted me because she's a projector that is in the wrong environment, absolutely in the wrong environment, like. How much that hurts. But if we don't, most, like, how many humans on planet Earth don't know what they don't know, and we're just, like, trying to be like everybody else and follow the script and follow the life we've been taught meanwhile, like, when you when you get access to this information, I mean, God, everything in life changes everything.

Erin Claire Jones: It's true, you know, and I think that, and especially I think in the coaching world, it's like, I can't tell you, often I've had clients who've gone to relationship coaches or business coaches and like, they've been given like, the way to do things, and then they realize that, like, oh, that way doesn't work for me. And it's not that I'm like, incompetent, it's just that, like, that way, building a business in that way, of like, and I tell a story in the book of like, a woman working with a dating coach, and she was a manifester, and it was like, wait for them to come to you and like, just sit back. And she was like, that feels so weird. And like, it doesn't work for me, because, like, that's just not how I meant to do things, you know. So I think it's just so nice to have this really hyper specific, hyper personalized tool to be like, how does it work? For me, you don't mess with all things. We can see what resonates and what doesn't. But I think that it is a really useful tool to kind of just do life in a way that actually works for

us, absolutely. So I'm curious about you in your as a projector, in your business, like, how and you've got so two little ones, really little ones, but how old? Like, you've got a few month old. I've got a

Erin Claire Jones: three month old, and I've got one who just turned two.

Oh, mama, you're in it, and you have a one day old book,

another baby that you birthed and worked really hard, yeah, to incubate. So like, how do you care for yourself? How do you honor the your projector nature, besides the invitations and all of that in your life,

Erin Claire Jones: it's hard in early parenthood. You know, I say, but I think that, and it's and it's harder with two, you know, I kind of had a feeling that, like, having two, I was like, oh, it's gonna be super easy. But, like, it hasn't been. You know, having two means that, like with my husband and I, we're all like, it's just all hands on deck. Basically all the time. I would say that I have given myself permission from, like, a very from my first to just, like, make sure that I have time alone and space to myself. It's a little bit harder now than it was. I think also, like my newborn, well, she's not a newborn, my infant now. She's like, so chill. She's so kind of in that, like, just cuddly phase. So I also really, like, use my time just with her to, like, rest. I think that you probably know this Catherine, like, it's a little bit harder with my toddler, but even in those moments, I'm like, I will lay on the floor and you just run circles around me, and I'm here to just me, and I'm here to just witness you in your circles. You know, so but I think that I just really try to give myself moments wherever I can, like, even last night, my three month old was sleeping and my husband was making dinner with my toddler, and I was like, I'm gonna go upstairs and take a shower. My husband's like, well, you just go take a bath with your our toddler. I'm like, No, I'm gonna go take a shower by myself. You know, nobody's coming in with me, and I will just, I'm gonna go do that, you know. So, like, just really identifying the moments that I really needed, and also, like, I would say another act of self care is, like, just not trying to do it all, you know. Like, last year, I had a lot of visions for, like, all these things I was gonna do, and the reality was, like, I could really just do the book, you know, and now it's, like, the book and the business and different things. But I just, I think that I've become a lot smarter about where to put my energy and to really identify what's going to be the highest impact, instead of trying to distribute myself across many things. So I think it's self care for me right now is just being really honest about my capacity and letting balls drop when I need to, you know, and giving myself grace in those moments, and knowing that, like, this is a wonderful moment of my life, and it's also a hard one, you know. And so, like, it's okay if I just cannot do all the things in the way that I used to, because I can't, you know,

and I don't want to motherhood in a nutshell, right there, early motherhood, right there, yeah,

it's a time like, that's what from witnessing Catherine, it's like, and part of her one, her reason for wanting to leave the podcast is she's like, I want to be here for my kids when they're little, like in this space that you will never get back, and the most important developmental phase of their attachment and all that, like, be with them through that, and the importance of that, and, and, and, but that's so beautiful to hear you. I'm curious Catherine, how that lands for you. Like, just learning from what Aaron just shared, because I know that's been a challenge for you to, like, find time to care for yourself. Like, how I think that's so beautiful. Like, it's like, these little ways that you can still do it even in the in the thick of of that

time, Aaron said earlier, like as a manifesting generator, I need to do the things that light me up and then that's going to give me, you know, energy. What's true is why the first year of motherhood was so hard is because I. Filled the space that I had childcare with my business, but I didn't want to do my business after the second my daughter was born like I had no desire. No. It was not lit up by it at all. And so I think I went into a deep depression, not postpartum depression, but depression because my design, I wasn't doing anything. It like what lit me up was being with my daughter, you know, like, what? That's what lit me up. But I also never took any space. And then, lo and behold, as soon as I took space at one year old, life was amazing. And then I had clarity around literally everything on, you know, on what I wanted to do. And I I feel like it sounds like what's really powerful and where you are now is the first step for someone to do is to get a reading right? But, and can they get that from your site and your work before they read they read the book, because that's what feels like, so perfect, like you have to know yourself to then receive so much of what this magical book is going to to offer,

Erin Claire Jones: yeah, and you can walk into the book not knowing anything about your design. Okay, so maybe you'll need to look it up, which is like, because it will, it's not going to, it will educate you about that, as well as how it can be applied. But on our website now, which is Human Design blueprint.com, if you go, you can create a free profile where you get all these free insights all about your design, which is, like, an amazing place to start. If you upgrade to a premium chart, you basically get kind of in depth descriptions of every part of your chart, plus, like, real life scenarios and quotes and journal prompt. So if you're ready to dive in, it's an amazing place to do it. And I think, you know, similar to everything that I share, it's really around how to make the information, like the most empowering, practical and accessible as it can be. So it's not all this, like jargon that you don't know how to make sense of. So they're both great places. And I think in creating the book, it was really trying to figure out, how does it fit with everything I do? And I mean, the book is just stuff I've never created before. So whether you've studied with me and you're a human design coach, or whether you're totally new and have your premium chart, like it's going to offer you stuff you don't have anywhere else, you know. So all those things work together.

Fabulous. So human design blueprint.com, I do have my blueprint with and I have my husband's blueprint too. So I did get that. I haven't done my daughter yet, but, but that that will be next, and, and, yeah, is there anything else you want to say? I'm just conscious of the time. Anything else you want to say about the book and and the gift. I mean, really, as I'm, like, so present to this just gift that you're offering the world.

Erin Claire Jones: I mean, I think that, like, I'm just, you know, it's a really vulnerable thing to put it out in the world. I think with like stuff online, like it can keep changing. But to like, write a thing that, just, like, out there is kind of terrifying, but I'm really excited. I think that it is. It's a funny world where often, for me, I don't know about you guys, but like, I just create these things, and then they disappear, and then I create a post, and it's just like all this kind of like temporary stuff. So it really felt like such an exciting thing to create something that was so much more solid and that has been being built for a year. And I think, I think it can really help people. And I think my intention is to have it help people. Bar, beyond those who are interested in human design, if somebody who's just like, struggling in their career, be like, let me just see if this can help me get out of the rudiment or if somebody's struggling with their partner, be like, let's just look at our designs and see how we can do better. So my goal really here is it going to cross the chasm and make human design more mainstream than it's ever been before. So that's the prayer,

oh, and it's happening. I mean, I feel it in my body that it's happening. How do you choose? By Aaron Claire Jones, there's the book.

I'm just like, Oh my gosh. Just that the I'm just feeling the magnitude of this book and the simplicity and just thinking the gift of the projector, seeing, seeing the thing that's missing. Like, wait, this thing is missing. I'm gonna, I'm gonna create it. I'm curious, is there something in your chart about writing a book, like, about being a writer, or is that is there anything

Erin Claire Jones: I would say that, like, there's nothing that's like, and I wouldn't say, oh, sorry, I'm looking at your charts, not my chart. I'm like, That's not me. I think that there's never, like, a thing in your chart where you're like, you'll be a writer or not. There will be things obviously, that indicate, perhaps the way that you share like, I think that what's true in my design is I have that same channel that you have Kate around, kind of the freak to genius, where one of my gifts is really just kind of simplifying far out concepts like human design in a way that actually makes it make sense. So I think the book is a reflection of that. But I also one of the gifts of my design is called the gift of witnessing or listening. And it's so much about kind of like listening to stories and extracting the gems and then sharing them to kind of benefit the collective. So I think the fact that my story, my book, is so much about clients and stories and like, actually figuring out what can be useful for others, I think is absolutely a reflection of that

gift. Yeah, amazing. You have the most beautiful energy. I'm like, I the second. And I'm sure a lot of you are can feel it. I The second you got on. Here, I could feel it on Instagram, but not in the same way as here. This the moment, I mean, even the moment I interacted with you, though, on Instagram as also, I was a projector and I invited you, like, what do you do in a situation like that? Two projectors? Who, invites, who? But I felt called. It was like something you'd posted, and then it just, I felt like a call so, but you, it's just your energy is incredibly beautiful. And I'm and I'm I can feel that the book is going to be this, and, yeah, just so excited to share it with the world. Thank you for birthing it.

Erin Claire Jones: Thank you guys. Yeah, oh, the well, it's called, how do you choose? We'll put the link, I'm sure in the show notes, yeah, and I don't have a link memorized, but, oh no, I do. I do. Sorry, Human Design blueprint.com/no, actually, no, I don't, because that's a pre order. It's if you search Amazon, how do you choose or Barnes and Noble, or wherever you buy books, it'll be there. By Aaron Claire Jones,

is there going to be audible? Yeah, I'm recording it in two weeks. Yes, perfect. Amazing. Oh, with your voice too, it'll be so I'm excited. Yeah, amazing. Any, any final words, actually, I my, my last question for you is, like, what do you have to say to any skeptics that are like, Oh, stuff like that.

Erin Claire Jones: Well, you should read the intro, because the intro the book, I think, is going to make you feel a little bit better, mostly because I well, you're gonna have to buy it and read it to read it. But I think that, like my point in the intro, and just in general with human design, is that what matters most to me is not whether it's true, but whether it's useful. And so I never walk into any experience try to convince people of anything. I'm just offering a framework for you to think about, does it resonate or not. And so the book really kind of addresses that at the very beginning, because it's a really important question. And so my goal is not to tell you, like, This is who you are, and believe me, but like, let me offer you a framework see if it resonates, and you can then choose so for the skeptics, totally get it. And also, like, I'm not trying to convince you, but if you're in, if you feel like any kind of like, desire to know more, I would just kind of dig in and see how it feels. I can't tell you how many I worked with a lot of companies, and so many skeptics, and I've had so many people walk in be like, I did not want to believe you. This seemed like so crazy and out there, and yet everything you're saying is so specific, and it feels like you've been following me around my entire life. And so like, as much as I don't want to believe you like you must tell me everything about me everything about me and my partner and my team and everybody else you know. So I would just say that, like, what matters most is whether it's useful, and that's the only question for those people

to explore. Whatever answer, whenever people are skeptics, I'm like, Oh, you just haven't had a good reading, like, about human design or astrology or anything like that. It's like, yeah, you just haven't had a read. Like, once you have a reading and someone tells your entire life story and everything about your inner world that nobody else has ever understood, you can't like, it's undeniable at that point.

Erin Claire Jones: Yeah, and it's so much about how we frame it. You know, it can be really alienating for someone to be like, This is who you are. And like, yes, like, Whoa. That's intense. Like, I don't know you, but if somebody, I think, offers things in a way that allows you to resonate or not, I think it can feel much more empowered. More empowering.

I've noticed people that have defined G centers or less open, or have like, more centers defined or less open, and people that have open G especially are like, Oh my God, tell me everything.

Erin Claire Jones: Yeah. They're also always looking for who they are. So that's not surprising, yeah.

Oh my god. Thank you so much for joining us here. My

Erin Claire Jones: pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys, what

a treat. Thank you so much. You're a gift. So if you enjoyed this episode, as always, spread the word to all of your sisters and everyone you know. I mean, anyone can listen to this episode and gain gifts and learn all about the blueprint of who you are, and how do you choose? Congratulations, Erin, so happy to have you here. Lots of love, and we'll see you next week.