How Energetic Presence Can Transform Your Business Relationships | RR345

Troy, Hello everyone, and I'm going to start

today by asking you a question, what if the Secret to Building

meaningful, productive business relationships wasn't about

saying the right things, but about how you show up? Well, my

guest today, Tracy poisoner, works with high performing women

in tech and innovation to help them recalibrate their presence

and influence. As the founder of space time alchemy, Tracy brings

a unique lens to leadership, combining decades of experience

in holistic medicine, coaching and nature's intelligence. In

this episode, we explore how a deeper sense of alignment and

energetic clarity can help you attract the right clients,

collaborators and partners, not through force, but through

resonance. Welcome to the show.

Tracy, thank you so much for having me. This is

great. Have my pleasure.

My pleasure. So I want to start by just asking

you, your background blends science, consciousness and

entrepreneurship. How did this path lead you to working with

high achieving women in business? And why women? Is it

just business? Women in Business and tech in

particular? Well, that's there's so many questions

rolled into one,

I know. So go, you've got a gold mine to start

with. I'll, I'll sort

of go backwards. All right, go backwards and

answer the question like, Why? Why do I work with women in

business? I have something specific to say, and I think

that it lands with female entrepreneurs, with women in

business. And the business that I'm particularly interested is,

is technology. Because what I have to say is really about the

new technologies that are being created, and what, what kind of

consciousness we want to be in the room with those things being

generated. So you know, men, high achieving men in the tech

world need someone to help them hustle better and more

efficiently. And women in the tech world need to stop trying

to hustle and to understand that their native intelligent pathway

is a different one.

Okay, stop right there just for a second to make

sure that I got that so men in the tech field need to hustle.

That's their natural way, right?

Is, well, hustle is the hustle is the default

Yes, okay, and so it's the default success pathway,

and it isn't for women. Women are more

collaborative,

yes, and it's not that they can't hustle, right?

We're trying to get into, like, hyper speed, like to get over

the hump of, why can't I get to the next level? And, um, there

is a, kind of a natural ceiling, or a, you know, when you're when

you're not in your in your own design. Let's say you know you

are always going to be up against people for whom it is

natural to move and behave in this way. And because you see

them being successful, you try to say, well, I can do that and

you can, and they do. And there are women all over the place who

are CEOs and and executive vice presidents of whatever. And you

know, if it's working for you, that's great. But you know,

entrepreneurs in particular are very vulnerable to trying to do

what works for that other person, or the for all those

other people and

not being true to themselves, and not being true

to themselves.

And, you know, there is something about, you

know, talking about feminine and masculine energy that really

rubs people the wrong way, because they think it's going to

be about, you know, staying home and baking, or else, like, using

your, you know, sexual attraction in some way to get

you ahead like it's got nothing to do with that, as you said a

moment ago, it's about having A kind of Uncanny skill at

relationships and at collaboration. In a way that

comes very easily. And as human beings, we tend not to value

what comes easily to us.

Ooh, would that be really human beings or mostly

women?

Oh, I think all human beings have the same

problem. Them that it's, you know, in an maybe it shows up

differently, sure, for men and women, but we, we tend not to

value what is easy for us. And so, you know, we think that the,

I don't know if it's kind of the grass is greener syndrome or

something, but

it must be, it has to be harder. It must be

harder. Yeah, there has

to be a lot of effort involved. And we value

the effort part. And that may be part of why, why we value

hustle, you know. And there can be men listening who say, Wait,

is there in a way different than hustle? Because would I ever

love to get off that train. You know, that's true. But women

tend to be big picture seers. They tend to be multi taskers.

They tend to be relationship builders. They tend to, for that

reason, be seen as thinking outside the box, whatever the

box is for you. And that kind of thinking being different than

the one that's the default inside of the system. And all

systems are masculine by definition, because a system is

a masculine thing, you know, oh, you know, masculine energy

thing, yeah. It's like the feminine thinking of take a step

back. Let's see the big picture. What's around the next corner.

How could we do this differently? That tends to be

undervalued, and so when you repeatedly don't, you know, get

any headway from your natural way of approaching things. It's

easy to say, Okay, well, if I want to succeed here, I have to,

I have to do things in that way, that way that's getting all of

those people the promotions that I want, or it's getting them

funded where I'm not getting funded.

It's interesting because my daughter just said

something the other day. She's going to she's a VP in a tech

kite kind of company, manufacturing part. It's very

non sexy at the this whole thing, but it's very forward

thinking. RFID technology. And she have is going to their big

end of the year sales meetings, and she has to, she usually has

to do a presentation on something. And we were talking

yesterday about or Sunday, about Canva, and I said, you know, I

actually really like the the the templates in Canva better than

PowerPoint. She said, Oh, I can't even do that. She said, I

have to use the templates that our company, you know, provides

for the and my and I could see this. It's so hard for her,

because she's so creative and likes to do things out of the

box that this is, this is difficult for her, and I will

see how it goes, you know, going forward. But you know, it's like

putting her in this box that doesn't work for her. So yeah, I

definitely saw that on when we were speaking, and it made me

think of just now, of what, exactly what you're talking

about. So how did you come to this? Let's get in. Let's go

back to the beginning of the question. So your background,

how does it blend science, consciousness and

entrepreneurship.

Well, I have been an alternative health

professional for almost 30 years. I'm a homeopath, so I've

been a practicing classical homeopath for all of that time.

Yeah, and I was a very science based a very medical model, kind

of homeopath?

Isn't that a contradiction?

Yes, you would think, right, yeah, but yeah,

homeopathy is considered part of the field of medicine in many

parts of the world. You know, it's really Yes, okay, only

North America where it's can a little bit Woo, like, you know,

there, I don't know, 100,000 homeopaths in India, mostly

working as meta, you know, as doctors in hospitals. And

likewise, Brazil is huge. You know, a lot of South America, a

big chunk of the what people would experience as as their

home treatments would be homeopathy. And so I, I was very

much someone who wanted it to be I wanted to bring homeopathy

into the world of medicine. I wanted to advocate for

homeopathy as a legitimate form of first line healthcare

treatment, which I think it is, but I was very much about the

scientific part of it. And, you know, it. You. I mean, you think

about homeopathy as being like herbs and natural stuff, which

it's not, actually, it's a very specific kind of medicine which

is derived from each medicine is made from an individual

substance in nature, and it's very precisely diluted. So it's

not putting one drop into a swimming pool and saying, that's

medicine, you know, it's diluted serially by a very precise

chemical or chemistry related process, dilution,

yeah, okay,

and for many years, I resisted the idea of,

like, the spiritual side of what I was doing. I just wanted it to

be all, you know, very medical. I actually applied to medical

school, like, in my 40s. Oh, wow. At one point I was really,

you know, on the on the science side of things, yeah, and I

don't know, little by little, I started to see how charmed and

and interested I was when, like other practitioners who I would

visit for my own healthcare would Do, like muscle testing to

test for remedies. I loved having that done to me, but it

was like the last thing in the world I would ever think of

integrating into my not in my practice. You know, got it Okay,

and, you know, you, you grow up and you kind of, I don't know,

get, get some kind of wisdom. I softened, and yeah, and I

started to realize, like, you are being a hypocrite here.

Like, you know, this is what do you think you're doing here?

This is energy medicine. Like, yeah, get real. And so I learned

how to muscle test. Actually, I was really lucky. I found a

wonderful teacher who has since, very sadly, passed away because

she was brilliant, but I learned a modality called Touch for

Health, which is the, it's sort of the, what can I say? It's the

non professional version of applied Kinesiology.

So it's not anything to do with Reiki or

anything.

No, no, no. It's not, because it's not like

sending the energy. Yeah, it's not. It's not channeling or

transmitting energy. It's testing the muscular strength,

the actual strength, of another person, in very precise ways,

according to the meridians, according to which organs are

associated with which muscles. But the basic idea is that you

know your muscles become stronger or weaker when you're

in contact with something that is good for you or not good for

you, and the same can be said of something that is true or not

true.

So interesting.

Interesting. I mean, there's a whole it's a

whole realm. It's a whole world of study there, but there's a

whole series of books. What is his name now? David Hawkins,

okay, who wrote a book called power versus force in the in the

90s. And I mean it's there are sequels to that book as well,

but basically, he tested 10s of 1000s of people with this muscle

testing method, with the idea that we all have the ability to

kind of tap into a universal field of knowledge, and you can

ask yes or no questions and get a reliable answer from the

strength of your own muscles. So it sounds pretty wacky, but

having learned how to do it, I started to bring that into my

practice, and I would test my clients for a series of

remedies. So, you know, we'd have a normal consultation, and

I would write down whatever ideas came to me about what I

would think about giving them, and then I would put those

actual medicines out, and one by one, you know, they wouldn't

hold the medicine, yes, the muscles and people loved it,

just as I had always loved it when somebody did it for me.

Because when, when you feel it, it's a real thing.

Well, and if they're already there, they're

half believing to begin with, right? I mean, if they come,

yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not necessary

that they believe in it, no. But what it does is that it helps

their compliance, sure, in in taking and it, and it helps the,

you know, let's say the therapeutic field, in the sense

that they are participating. Thing in their own wellness. By

you know that, like I let go, it's probably also a function of

me letting go, of needing to work it out in my head, like

needing to be a smarty pants and say I got the answer, okay,

thinking about it, and yeah, that's like a huge ongoing thing

for me, I still have to it is huge for anybody, sure, I still

have to rein that in for myself. So anyway, I did all of that,

and about eight or nine years ago, maybe even 10 years ago

now, because things are going so fast, yes, I decided to move

into the online world because my my work had always been in

person, and to do well, the thing that drew me to the online

world was that I decided to become a kind of Coach for women

who are stepmothers. Oh, okay, that is my own personal journey,

journey. I am one. I'm also a mother. I have a daughter who is

all grown up. Now, my step kids are all grown up too. But, you

know, it was a pretty fraught experience, and I had all of

this training, you know, I had all of this homeopathy training,

which involved, you know, years of study about human psychology

and childhood development and family dynamics, all of those

things were a big part of my practice, and I thought, Oh, my

God. Like, what do people do who don't have that? I mean, I used

everything I had. I used all the tools at my disposal to get us

through these years. Anyway, I started a Facebook group, and I

started a podcast, and I started doing coaching, and, you know, I

really wanted to kind of codify what I things that I knew to be

useful. And from there, I moved into coaching divorced fathers

who were the husbands of these stepmom ladies realizing that

they really needed a kind of support that didn't exist for

them. So, yeah, I was like coaching only men for a while,

and now I'm coaching women again. It's, it's not anything

besides where I feel my my contribution is, is aimed, you

know, and

I can tell you're constantly learning and

constantly moving in the work that you do based on your past

experience and your new knowledge that you're probably

always seeking and gaining. Yeah, oh, I'm a lifelong

learner. Yeah, I can tell. Okay, so you talk about recalibrating

presence. What does that mean in the context of leadership and

relationships in business?

It means everything. I mean

recalibrating, it's a word we get a lot from, like chat, G, P,

T, but it's a really good word. It is a great word. It's, it's

like adjusting the knobs in some way of your of your frequency,

and everybody's got, everybody's got kind of a a reigning

frequency that that's what you broadcast out. That's what you

feel from other people when you like them immediately or you

don't like them right away. You know, like we, we feel those

things. We don't necessarily always acknowledge it. Some

people are more sensitive to feeling it than other people,

but it's a reality. You You have a frequency when you walk into

the room, you are either welcoming people to like you and

trust you and respect you, or you're sort of saying, I don't

really belong here. What do I have to do to make sure that

everybody here likes me? You know, it's a different messaging

that's echoing out from you. And as a leader, I think, I think

leaders very, very often have to deal with imposter syndrome,

which they are just doing their darndest to hide. And that is

such a different frequency than you know, the actual frequency

of leadership,

that makes sense? Yeah, I can see that, especially

because you're the only woman in the room full of executives,

too, and right? And. That can Well,

yes, and you know, you asked me the other

just a moment ago, before we started about something that I

wrote on on LinkedIn the other day, about, like, if I, if I

want the assholes to leave me alone, yeah, I, you know, I have

to, I have to change myself. And specifically, specifically, it's

about letting everyone else be as they are and think what they

think. And and hold your That's the hardest thing to do. And

hold that's where your power is, yeah, you know, like, until you

allow people to not like you or not respect you or not listen to

you, like, really allow them, like, even in your mind, you

know,

they own it. They're trying to fix everything

to make it better, supposedly, okay, yeah, yeah, okay, so

that's that recalibrating your presence is, is, is self belief,

and it's, it's

standing in your power, standing in your power

and that self self belief means knowing that like that you are

the source of everything that

you need. Not everyone has to like you either.

Not everyone has to like you and like yes, things

are going to go wrong. I mean, I understand that. I understand

that for women, especially who deal with realities in the

business workplace that make it very difficult for them to

succeed or to advance. You have to decide if, if you really,

what do I want to say, if it's worth the effort, play the game.

If you, if you need to play that game, then you have to play but

you are. You're a hostage to the game. Yeah, and if you can step

outside of the game,

it all, it all changes. So if you can step

outside of the game to realize the difference it makes you,

that you will feel then you start to be able to give a

better, to understand it better, whether it's worth staying there

or not.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's not that, you know,

energetically, it's not that different from being in an

abusive relationship, right, right?

Like, at some point, tough one, though that's

a really tough you have to,

you have to. If you are never ready to actually

leave, then you're a hostage there, yeah. Like, the end of

story. Like the there always has to be a Plan B, and it might not

look the conventional way, it might not look like a

conventional path for you to make your ultimate contribution,

because you might have to pass through a few businesses or

companies who don't like it that you won't be A hostage to their

game, right, right. But I'm forever seeing amazing things on

social media about, you know, some individual who lifted

themselves out of abject poverty and illiteracy into, you know,

some amazing leadership role or fame or money or

to stop you there, because something I said

to my daughter this morning, she said, That's not real, mom.

Like, are these things real that we're seeing on social media? We

have to be careful.

Sometimes it is true, but let's say that there

are historical Yes, I understand, but I just

historical truths, right? I mean, like, I think stories,

there are enough real stories that we can we can focus on on

real ones.

So can you share an example of how energetic

alignment has helped one of your clients shift their business

relationships or their business situation?

Ah, yeah. I mean, I have a couple of very recent

ones that would be related to the human design. Yeah. Okay,

stuff that I'm doing, I don't I don't work with human design.

I'm not a human design reader practitioner, but I've created

some blends of Bach flower essences, which are energetic

essences. They're not exactly like homeopathy, but they're a

similar kind of energy based medicine and not a molecular,

chemical kind of thing. They're not like a It's not like a

herbal preparation that's got stuff in it. This is

botanical, right? It's flowers and flowers,

but it's only information. There's no juice or

fibers or pulp or what do you

mean? That's only information. What do you mean?

Well, the the medicine is made by replicating

a process of nature where moisture condenses out of the

atmosphere and sits on the petals of a flower. And if you

were to put that on your tongue, you would get some energetic

effect, some notice, some noticeable change in your

emotional state, or your belief patterns, the way that you feel

inside. So this Dr Bach in the 1930s turned this into a system,

a healing system. Really it's for it's for emotional and

physical healing, okay? And what I'm doing with it is making it

be about personal development, about spiritual growth, about

moving towards a desired state instead of away from the way I

don't want to feel okay. So I've created these blends which are

specifically for the five main energy types of human design,

which is a whole thing. And anybody can Google human design,

and you'll fall into a whole rabbit hole there, but it's,

it's really easy to learn what your human design type is. And

so I did a beta test of these blends over a few months, and

I've even been working with people who are, in fact, human

design professionals, influencers, podcast hosts,

coaches, whatever, and several of them have said, I can't

believe what's happening In my life, like I'm getting all these

offers and opportunities and invitations all of a sudden,

and there are no accidents and

there are no accidents, I would say the same

has happened to me recently, that, you know, things that I

can't explain. Of people finding me through roots. I mean, I have

a relatively small practice. Let's say that there are, you

know, maybe dozens of people who have worked with me privately,

but not more than that. At this point, I can't say that I've

personally treated 1000s of people, but someone just called

me to work with me who said that her counselor recommended me

having listened to my podcast or something. So okay, that's, you

know, or that, sorry, there's my dog coming in. Someone else told

me that she i i asked her how she found me, and she was

googling something that happened to have the word limitless in

it. Limitless is the name of my podcast. Okay, perfect. There

are 20 podcasts called limitless. I mean, I, I didn't

research it before I chose the name, right? If you just put the

name in, you won't come to mine. I mean, I it's not, you know,

it's not at the top of the list, but somehow Google and chat GPT

kept sending her to my podcast. So there's and which she

listened to my podcast. And she's not at all in my niece.

She is a nurse who's looking to start a clinic, like she wants

to start a wellness clinic. And but she loved my podcast, and

she loved everything that I'm doing, and she called up and

said, I you know, I can't wait to work with you. So energetic

presence is a magnetic thing. It's like, it's like a beacon

that goes out and resonates with people. They find you

interesting.

So it's the law of attraction in a different

way. It is, it is. I mean, it's kind of the same way, because it

is energetic. I It

is energetic, yeah, so it's not, I mean, law

of attraction has a lot of truth. To it, and yet it's not.

How can I say this? My the way that I would work is not to try

to change myself, to match what I want, but to be as true to

myself as I can possibly be, and the things that I want start to

find me because that that is a very coherent state when you're

true to yourself.

So remember when we talked earlier, you said

something about, well, I was thinking this when you said it.

So do you I'll start with this. Do you know who Michael Lacher

is? No, okay, Michael logier is. He lives in, he did, I'm not

sure if he still does, lives in Victoria, BC, and he was the

original, not as famous starter of the Law of Attraction

movement back in the day. And he was, he's an interesting guy.

I've had him on my podcast, and he's, you know, he's morphed as

well into different things, but he had this CD I used to play in

my car, like every if I wasn't playing Jim Rohn, I was playing

Michael Lacher and my two favorites. And Michael used to

say that the law of attraction was always out there, checking,

checking, checking. And the other thing he talked about,

which you've heard probably a million times, is the, what is

it, w, T, i, f, M or something, what's in it for the radio

frequency of what? Yeah, what's in it for me, and you were

talking about the the energy and the frequency. And that made me

think that with what you just said, that if we're trying to,

like he used to talk about being in that high energy frequency,

because if your friend Betty used to call you and you saw her

name on the on the call display, you'd go, oh no, she will just

bring my energy right down. I don't want to talk to Betty

right now. And so how is that being true to your true energy,

if you're that person, sometimes, you know, like if you

are down there instead of up in a higher frequency?

Well, I'm not sure if I understand exactly the

question, but I like to refer to like your higher self, like the

the version of you that has stripped away all the stuff that

doesn't belong there, that that is a higher frequency,

okay, okay, it just is your truest self. And so

they all the rest of it is what I would call

shadow, okay? And we all have some shadow running

in our system, but most people are run by their shadow,

okay, okay, so the work that you do, for

example, with these women leaders, would be to be aware of

that and not let that rule them, but for them to rise above it,

right?

Exactly. You just have to find you have to find it

and look at it. You have to find where you are. You know where

your self talk is telling you? Oh, well, actually all of your

self talk is telling you lies all of the time. That's the

truth of it, all of it, but it sounds true like you think that

you are reinforcing for yourself things that are true, and really

none of it is true. So it's the work is to find the specific

places where you are in the grip of some kind of illusion that

seems real to you. And that's, you know, we call those limiting

beliefs. You You have beliefs about yourself or about the

world, like you don't think they're beliefs. You think that

these are things that are true about life, and you are. You're

gonna, you know, tiptoe around these danger spots to stay safe.

So when someone comes to you, Who's In Who's a

female leader in business, and they go, I need help. Where do

you start?

You always start where you are. I mean, what is

the current trigger? What's the present problem? What's the

biggest thing on the list? Because you it's interesting.

The words that we use are so interesting when we talk about

what's current, like, that is the current? Yes, that's the

actual frequency. Frequency? Yes, the current is the the

frequency of now, like, what is that frequency and where is it

distorted?

Yeah, like, I just never feel good all the

time, and I'm feel like no one listens to me, and that kind of

thing, right?

So you have to know, what's the Yeah, what is,

is it that no one listens to me? Is that the the actual thing,

and that's what we work with. We start there, yeah, and I have,

well, I'll just back up a little bit and say that a few years

ago, I I kind of fell into a lovely rabbit hole about

archetypes and consciousness. This, this kind of, what they

call New Earth consciousness with archetypal patterns, okay,

and I really loved it because it was a version, I mean,

archetypes, lots of versions of that, Carolyn mace and who else.

I mean, it goes back to Carl Jung, but it's a it's a big

octopus with lots of arms. You know, there are so many of them

and so many ways of looking at them. And I loved this framework

because it's very concise, and it's very boundaried in the

sense that it's easy to work with. And there is a scale of

levels of consciousness, sort of, let's say, moving upward to

higher frequencies. And then there are channels of

consciousness that cover the content, the content of our

thought and belief processes. And then I matched these Bach

flower essences, which are exactly about, you know,

essentially about shadow states of of belief patterns. I matched

them to the archetypes, and that seemed to be really, really

efficient at helping me quickly get to understand where someone

is blocked or held up in their thinking and and then to apply

the the flower essences that really kind of give you a dose,

in a way, of the frequency that you're looking for. And it, it

gives your, your own energy body, something to attune to,

wow.

So, so you're going to work with the person in

some method of coaching or to uncover where they're at. And

you're going to also work with the matching them to the right

botanical essence to start taking and see how that affects

them,

yeah, yeah. And it, it goes very fast, usually,

okay, in a few days, oh, wow, a couple of weeks at the outside.

So it's a much, much faster. I mean, it's a more accelerated

pathway to change than traditional coaching or

interesting therapy, or any, I mean, it's not therapy, but it,

I mean, it's like ever so much faster than, you know,

meditation or journaling or things that you know really take

a lifetime. We're used to the idea that it takes a lifetime,

or it could take years or decades to move through, you

know, these developmental phases of our own transformation, and

it just doesn't have to take that long anymore for Well,

that's encouraging reasons.

Yeah, that's encouraging. So if someone were

to, okay, I'm going to have to wrap this up. I have so many

questions I could ask you, and I think I'm going to encourage

people to listen to your podcast as well and hear more about who

you are and how you how you work. But if a listener is

feeling out of sync in their business relationships, what's

one small step they could take to start realigning?

Oh, out of sync.

Oh, they don't feel like they're getting

anywhere, or they're, you know, not feeling like they're

operating at their highest level. Yeah,

the, I guess the first thing would be to to know.

So for certain that it is always about you and your own energy,

and to whatever degree you think that your situation is like

because of something outside of you, that's how much longer

you're going to stay in that place.

I like that. Actually, I think that that's a

very good answer, because we tend to think it's, it's out

there somebody else's fault, or it's, it's, it's not, it's the

situation I'm in. But you put yourself there, believe it or

not, yeah, I guess does a lot of, I know you talked about, I

mean, science based and all this, the training that you had

is intuition, a huge part of it, too.

Absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely. If you think

about it, you know, all the solutions to the real problems

that you've ever had came to you intuitively. They don't. You

know, the big breakthroughs don't come as like, step 10

after step seven, eight and nine, right? Yeah, yeah. And,

you know, the great thinkers of the world will always say that

the best ideas come when you're on a walk, or when you're in the

shower, when you're having a tune or whatever, right? Yeah,

yeah. It's accessing your again, your higher self. There is a

part of you that is streaming consciousness and is connected.

Is some kind of source, however we want to call that. Yeah. So

the the problem is that we very often ignore or undervalue what

comes to us intuitively. We think, well, that's a stupid

idea, or I can't do that. Everyone will laugh at me. Or

what? If that doesn't work, you know, it's just more about

getting to a place where you can trust your your gut feeling

about things or the the idea that comes to you like you know

in a flash.

I love it. So thank you for your wisdom. Thank

you for your your knowledge, and the way you explain it is

amazing. How can people find you?

My website is Tracy poisoner.com Okay, and

that's probably the best way Tracy at Tracy poisoner.com

Okay,

I'm on LinkedIn. I'm on Facebook. Okay, there are no

other Tracy poisoners.

There you go. I'll put that in the show notes.

So thank you again for being a wonderful guest, and I want to

thank my audience for being here. And just to mention that

relationships in business aren't just what we do. They're about

who we are while we do it. And I think that's where Tracy and her

work come in. It's a reminder that leadership, influence and

connection can all be strengthened by paying attention

to what's happening beneath the surface, whether it's through

energetic presence, aligned decision making, or the subtle

influence of botanicals. Today's conversation challenges us to

show up more fully, and in doing so, attract the right people and

partnerships that help us grow so again. Thank you. Thank you

for being here. If you like what you heard, please let us know

and remember to stay connected and be remembered. Thanks.

Janice, you're welcome.