10 Habits That No Longer Work in Menopause—What to Do Instead with Jodie Pappas l S2E090

So as menopausal women, we need to

forget about the mindset, I gotta lose fat. I gotta lose fat. I

gotta lose fat. Instead, think, I gotta gain muscle. I

gotta gain muscle. I gotta gain muscle. Right?

So when you are switching that

and you're thinking about muscle, muscle, muscle, you have to be thinking

about protein. You have to be thinking about how

you need to be feeding your muscles and feeding your body. And

so forget about the extreme diets because if you are extreme

dieting, there's no way that you're getting enough

protein or enough healthy fats or fiber or things that you

need in order to nourish healthy healthy muscle in your

body. Welcome back to A Call for Love. Today's

episode is one that is you could really benefit from

because we're talking about menopause. And it's

an invitation, not a punishment. I know it's

hard to believe, but it's true. So whether you're personally

navigating through menopause, know someone who is, or

just want to understand your body better, you are in the right

place because we're diving into how what once worked

for us may no longer be working,

which I feel and I recognize in my own life. So,

this conversation is all about really tuning into your body, it's

about mindset and so much more. So whether you're looking for

insight, compassion, empathy, or just

a fresh perspective, stick around and share

this episode with someone who could use some

information about this life changing event.

And to share this conversation with me is my

dear and beautiful friend and colleague,

Jody Pappas. So welcome, Jody. Jody is a wellness

entrepreneur, and she focuses on healthy aging.

She empowers women in midlife to take back

control of their health and is a certified holistic

nutritionist, yoga teacher, author, and founder of the

award winning skin care brand, Clean Kiss Lifestyle.

Jody specializes in helping women navigate digestive

issues, got those, skin concerns, pain

relief, and inflammation, especially during the

menopause transition. With over a decade of wellness experience, she blends science backed wellness, to

A Call for

Love. Thank you.

I'm so happy

to be here. To A Call for Love. Thank you. I'm so

happy to be here. This is exciting. It's a good day.

It's such an important conversation.

It's one that a lot of people are having, but there's a lot

of information out there. It's really hard nowadays

to know what is the right advice, and

it's, I mean, it's the topic that everybody's talking about in

our age bracket, right? So I'm happy to

hopefully dispel some myths today and give women

some food for thought, pun intended,

around, how nutrition, but how a lot

of other things it's it's a lot about the

nutrition, but we're going to talk about a lot of things today. Okay. Well,

let's dive in. So the first thing I think

we we really want to focus on, or I feel the listeners will

want to hear, is how menopause

shifts us and our body has new needs.

And I'm, like, it's like I hear so often, I

don't even recognize my body. I don't even I don't even know

what used to work doesn't work anymore, and you don't even have to be,

somebody who's going through it. You could be going through it or you pass one

through it or you know somebody going through it, but this is Exactly. Huge

thing. It is a huge thing. And I don't know about you, but

when I was young and my own mother was going through menopause,

like, she never talked about it. And in fact, my dear

87 year old mother can't even remember when she went through it. So

or share any of those details with me. So I'm glad

we're having these conversations, and I'm glad that we have this information

now, not only for ourselves and our own network, but to

pass on to our daughters, our nieces, our,

you know, our our neighbors, and all the people, people that

we interact with because it shouldn't be a closed conversation. It

needs to be something we all talk about. If this was happening to men, you

could better believe there would be a lot more

remedies and solutions and information available. Yeah. I

think the days of, like, suck it up buttercup are

over. That's gone. Yeah. And you're

right. We don't recognize our bodies. We

we do know that what we used to do in our

20s, 30s, 40s is no longer working

for us. And, so it is a new

reality but I I love that

line that menopause is an invitation, it's not a

punishment. And so the more we

try to fight against it, we're gonna talk a

lot about mindset today. I am gonna give you practical

tips, but I want to preface those tips. I actually

have 10 for you. But I'm gonna preface them with

saying that it all starts with our

mindset around menopause. That is the

foundation to which all these other tips

will be successful. But if you are

already feeling the resistance and you're already feeling like, I

hate this. I hate what's happening in my body. I

hate these changes. And I know hate is a very

strong word, but I'm using it to make a point that

when we resist anything in life, we make

it so much harder. And I'm not saying that

to minimize the symptoms that I know so many women are

struggling with. I'm saying it to,

try to reframe how we are thinking about this time

of our life and to think of it as an invitation

for exploration, for us to

get curious about what's happening in our bodies,

and ask ourselves, what is my body

trying to tell me? Because we know that the body

gives us messages and it's always listening to our

thoughts. And so if our thoughts are so negative,

then of course our body is going to listen to that and it's going to

be responding to those negative thoughts.

So let's reframe those thoughts, but let's

also talk about I don't know, if you wanna jump right into them,

Linda, but, you know, what are those old habits that we

used to do that we're going, what

gives? Why is this no longer working for us? Yeah.

I I I love this message. Like, what we

resist persists. And so it's time you

know, I said the other day to somebody, you know, I I have so

many trainings and skills. Now I have to learn about the body.

The

information out there. And so this is empowering. It's

time that we take our power back. So let's dive into

those 10 powerful tips. Absolutely.

And so these are 10 old

habits that will no longer work

for most women. So if any of these habits are things

you're doing and they're working for you, I'm not here to

say stop doing them. I'm here to just,

again, get your curiosity going that perhaps

if you're still doing these things and they're not working for

you, these might be things to take off the table. So I never

wanna shame anybody to say, oh my god. Don't do

that. That's not my style. As a holistic nutritionist,

I work mostly with, menopausal

middle aged women. And, I also have a

skin care brand, as you mentioned. And so on the skincare

side with Clean Kiss, I've been working with middle aged

menopausal women for over a decade. So I know

that, you know, we have to all come into our own

when we're ready to get there. But let's let's dive into

these 10 tips, because they're they're ones that a lot of

people are still doing. And I see it every day. And every time

I'm speaking with a woman, whether it be a client or a friend or, you

know, just somebody I randomly meet in the store.

So the first one is fasting

for weight loss. So why does it stop

working? Well, it stops working because chronic

fasting elevates our cortisol, which is our stress

hormone. And and,

we already have overtaxed adrenals

just by the shift in hormones that we're experiencing

with our shift in estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone.

So most women in this phase of life

are already struggling with, stressed adrenal

glands, and so we don't want to be

adding any more chronic load and chronic stress to

that load. So the alternative is very

gentle meal timing. I often will tell my

clients make sure you're eating soon after waking

and make sure you're having frequent meals throughout the day.

You don't ever want your blood sugar to, to

crash because every time your blood sugar crashes,

that also releases cortisol and that also

stresses our body. So any time our body

goes into that fight or flight mode, which we know is

our sympathetic nervous system, we stress

our body. So we wanna keep our body as much

as possible in our parasympathetic, which is our rest and digest.

And that's where the real magic happens in our body.

So, that's number one. So gentle

meal timing, eating balanced macros. I'm a huge

fan of menopausal women getting more

protein. And this is an interesting one because I have a lot of women

say, well, I already eat a lot of protein. And I say,

okay. Eat more. Because

my guess is we're not eating as much as we think

we are. I know I have a really hard time getting,

what I recommend. What a lot of experts recommend is a hundred grams of

protein a day on average. It depends on your

health goals, but that's a general average for

all menopausal women to be striving for. That's actually

pretty tough. That means you need minimum 30

gs of protein at every meal, And that

so it's protein. You wanna still be having your carbohydrates. You

wanna be making sure you're getting enough fiber, and all of

that's gonna help to balance your blood sugar. So it's it's the

opposite of fasting where we are not

consuming any calories. And like I said, the risk is

that we could be elevating our cortisol by doing that. So

you are saying this. If

intermittent fasting if you did it before and you don't find it working, what

if it still works for you? What do you suggest? Then then

keep doing it. But I would say

be mindful of your adrenals. Because

if it's if, intermittent fasting is working for

you and how you define

working is an important measure because that's gonna be

subjective for everybody. So let's use weight loss specifically.

So most people do or not most. A lot of people

do intermittent fasting for weight loss or for weight management.

If it is enabling you to keep your weight at a

great, level and you're happy with where you're at

and you don't feel your stress levels rising, if

you're sleeping well, if you're doing all the things and you're ticking all the

boxes, great. That's how I would define that

it's working for you. But if you're stuck

and your weight isn't moving and your sleep is in the

tank and, you know, you're not sleeping, you're waking in the

middle of the night, I think those are signs that it's not working for

you. So it might be time to try a different method.

Okay. Great. Okay?

Which leads me to number two, which is all about

sleep. So I have a lot of girlfriends

that are, late night texters. I have a

lot of girlfriends that work in, high stress

corporate environments, which used to be my my

past. I left that in order to come over

to the wellness world, and I have a lot of

people that are still in that space or they're entrepreneurs,

or they're just maybe even they're retired, but they're in

this space where they come alive at night. They

are up late. They're watching TV. They're binging something on Netflix.

They're on their phone. Maybe they're in bed, and they're scrolling

Instagram and Facebook and, you know, getting caught up on social

media, but they're doing it at the expense of getting a good

night's sleep. And I personally

am a big fan. I can't say I'm part of the five AM club,

but I am part of the six AM club. And that seems to work for

me, going to bed at ten, waking up at six. I'm getting

my eight hours of sleep. I know that,

my body is in a happy place when I get that, you

know, eight to nine hours even for me. I'm recommending

that women really prioritize their sleep.

Sleep is when your hormones and your metabolism

resets. So if you are having trouble with your

weight, if you are noticing that your midsection

Well, visceral fat is around the organs. So what we see is that Well, visceral

fat is around the organs. So what we see in

the midsection is our subcutaneous fat. So that's

right below the surface of the skin. That's called our

subcutaneous fat. If you have subcutaneous

fat, it could be a key indicator that you also have that

visceral fat, which is surrounding your organs. And that's what we

call skinny fat. That's when people are thin

but maybe not healthy because we don't know what's

going on on the inside. Thank you. So the other thing that

I love telling people about sleep is that that's when

our brain gets detoxified, our whole

body, but especially our brain. So as we're in

menopause and we're thinking about brain health, there's a lot of talk about

brain fog, and we this is the

time when a lot of people clue in and they start worrying about things like

dementia, especially if they see a loved one that

is going through it. Well, that's why you should be prioritizing

sleep. Think about sleep like a hard reset for your

brain. We have to shut down our cell phones every now and then

if they're acting up. We have to shut down our computers if they're

acting up. It's the same for our brain, and that happens when we

sleep. Yeah. Good point. So an advocate

for sleep. I follow the Ayurveda. Like, I try to get to bed by

ten. Lovely. Lovely. That's why you and I are never

texting after 10:00 at night. Right?

Exactly. It's so important. I cannot

function without sleep and, it's

yeah. It's everything. It should be everything for everyone.

So really put it at the top of the priority list. And if people have

a hard time getting to bed early, just I always say just go

back a half an hour, then go back an hour. Like Sure. Yeah.

These these I met somebody, and she says, I have a hard stop at

nine for all technology. And I was like,

I love that. I really respect that. I love that too. And

I I do try to do that. I will often go

upstairs, kinda change into my comfy clothes at night, and I will

often put my phone on my charger, upstairs.

So I'm not looking at it. It's my downtime to spend with my husband, watch

a show, and then I pack it in. So

you have to get really, really hard with yourself because

sometimes you get engrossed in a show and you wanna start another episode.

You have to say, no. For the good of my health and my beauty

sleep and everything else, my brain health, I'm packing

it in. Exactly. So the next one is also related

to number two and number one, and this is

coffee all day. So too much coffee or too late

in the day is going to sabotage your sleep. It's

it why it stops working for us. So maybe we did this when we were

younger, and coffee was kind of our get up and go, and we could use

it all day long. But now it's just overstimulating our

nervous system. It's increasing our cortisol, and it depletes

minerals. So, you know, we don't want our body to

be depleted. Even if we're eating a healthy, clean diet,

you can be depleting those minerals and just totally negating what you're

doing by having too much coffee. I am a fan of

coffee. Don't get me wrong. And I do believe that we should make coffee a

bit of a sacred ritual. If you are a coffee drinker

or a tea drinker, make it your sacred ritual. So

stop, slow down, enjoy that cup of coffee,

and then maybe you won't need to be having more

because you made it an event. And I love I

love having my clients turn their

coffee drinking into an all day thing to more of an

event. And then you really savor it, and you and you probably don't need any

more than that. I love that. And because, you know, I like to

hold it in my hand, feel the heat, smell it, and so make it a

mindful practice. Now when would you say your last coffee should

be? Before noon. Oh,

yeah. I agree. I was in Costa Rica, and I was indulging in

coffee, and it didn't work out for me. And you know what?

It's so good sometimes that you're like, oh, I just want another one.

But, honestly, switch to a decaf, or

there's some really great coffee alternatives that I share with my

clients. I don't have time to get into them today, but, there's

some really great alternatives that you don't even miss it. You

don't miss the caffeine. So the next one that we often

sabotage our health and our lives with is wine and

alcohol. So why does it stop working?

Well, it disrupts our sleep for one. So as as

you can see, everything comes back to the sleep. Right? It's so important.

It also raises inflammation, and

it can also worsen hot flashes. So those of you that are

suffering with hot flashes, you know that sometimes one glass of

wine and you are cursing. Like, why did I have this?

So the alternative, I have been exploring all

kinds of alcohol free alternatives. Thanks to our mutual

friend, Laura Valvisori. I've gotten

into ordering online. I ordered all kinds of alcohol free

wines. And so if I really feel like I want a glass of wine, I

have an alcohol free wine, and I don't feel like I'm

missing anything. In fact, I'm so

happy when I get into bed that I'm like, I'm gonna

have a best sleep because I did not have a real glass of

wine. And I wake up and I'm ready to go without any sort of

hangover headache or anything like that. So

wine and alcohol is the other thing that I think a lot of women,

I know you might not wanna hear it, but sometimes

that is working against us in menopause. I know. I've

reduced my alcohol consumption by

90%, And I don't my

anxiety has, like, decreased significantly.

Yes. Yes. I agree. It's a killer. It's a

killer. It it it evokes so much anxiety for

me as well. And so to me, it's just not even worth it. And I

I can still enjoy a night out or a night at home with

my husband without having without having alcohol real alcohol.

Okay. Number five, hustle culture.

It doesn't work anymore when we're in menopause. It doesn't work in our

fifties. I have so many girlfriends

and colleagues that I network with. You

know? And, Linda, you and I talk about this all the time. Just

stopping that overscheduling that leads to burnout.

I still see women that are doing it, though. I still see those women that

are like, no. I don't have time for exercise because my day is so

scheduled. And I think, oh my gosh, like, when will you

prioritize your health? When will you have that ability

to book half an hour for yourself to go

for a walk or, you know, to do something like that. That

hustle culture, it doesn't work anymore. It's again, we talked about

the sympathetic versus the parasympathetic. Yes.

It keeps us in that sympathetic fight or flight.

And we have to start getting ourselves out of that and recognizing

when enough is enough. So

find white space. Just book white space in your

calendar. Go for walks without technology.

I do my best thinking. I come up with my best ideas

either in the shower or when I'm out for a walk

without my AirPods in my Mine is the shower for

sure. I have to race out and have a piece of paper for a

dictation. It's so funny. It's I know. I love it. No singing.

Just planning in the shower. Just planning in the shower. It's

something about the energy of the water and the serenity.

It just allows us to get into that flow state. Right? That's

so fun. I love that. So that hustle culture,

honestly, ladies, if you're still stuck on that hamster wheel,

try to get off of it. I can't tell you how good

it feels to have more white space in your life. It's

just a game changer. Okay. Number six.

I still see this so often. A lot of the work I do

as a nutritionist, women come to me and they say, just give me

the meal plan. I just want a plan to follow. I want

it to be super strict and super hard. And

it's kind of going to my next point. I'm kind of getting a little bit

ahead of myself. But what I've my point that I'm trying to make

is, a lot of time they'll say to me, oh, should I just be cutting

out carbs? Should I just get rid of every single carb? And I say to

them, absolutely not. Because what we think

of as carbs so the traditional

idea is like rice, pasta, bread. Okay?

So could you reduce those? Absolutely. Do you need to

restrict them? Absolutely not. They can

play a a role in your life. They provide us

with good fiber. I would say rather than going for white

rice, go for brown rice. Rather than white bread, go for a

high fiber, maybe even high protein slice of

bread. So quality counts don't get hung

up on the label of carbs. Okay? And

in fact, eating the same thing on

repeat where you're lacking fiber and you're

lacking diversity, that does us a lot of harm.

So, we I often meet women that are

struggling with the worst gas and bloating and indigestion,

and they have, like, a little belly pouch where they look like

they're pregnant, and they're saying, I don't know what this is from. I

this is new. And often, I'll say, tell me about the

diversity of your diet. Tell me how much fiber you're

eating. I do a little challenge with my clients where I

say, I want you to write down every single new

food that you eat each week, and then bring me that list back. And

try to get 30 new foods or 30 different

foods. So we we tend to get stuck on

we go in the grocery store and we buy the same list of foods every

week. I challenge you to come out with

new things you've never tried, you've never cooked them before,

and just look up a recipe or come see a nutritionist,

and I can give you recipes on how to incorporate these new foods

into your life. Your gut and your microbiome will

be so grateful, will be so thankful. Because when you

introduce diverse foods, you're feeding the healthy

bacteria. It's like your own probiotic.

Right? You're feeding with probiotic and prebiotic

into your gut. So forget about taking a pill,

get it through your food. Food first. I I find

that I try to add new foods into my diet because

it's new nutrients that your body hasn't recognized. And if you're

always getting the same if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get

what you've always gotten. Right? Or worse.

Right? Or worse. Exactly. And our bodies are changing.

Alright. So number seven, which you touched

upon. I did. I just just a moment ago,

but it's different from cutting carbs or just eating

the same thing all the time. Yeah. Now we're talking about extreme

dieting. Yeah. So number seven, why it stops working? It

slows our metabolism and it stresses

our body again, and it sabotages muscle

mass. So as menopausal women, we need to

forget about the mindset, I gotta lose fat. I gotta lose fat. I gotta

lose fat. Instead, think, I gotta gain muscle. I gotta

gain muscle. I gotta gain muscle. Right? So

when you are switching that and you're thinking about

muscle, muscle, muscle, you have to be thinking about protein. You

have to be thinking about how you need to be

feeding your muscles and feeding your body. And so forget about the

extreme diets because if you are extreme dieting, you're

there's no way that you're getting enough protein or enough

healthy fats or fiber or things that you need in order to

nourish healthy healthy muscle in your body.

And I would like to add to that that we had a fantastic

conversation, and people go back to this episode many times.

Episode six, because you were the first guest of mine

on A Call for Love. And we talked about orthorexia,

healthy eating gone bad, and it talks

all about this. It's really a brilliant,

episode. So I will put that link in the show notes, but it's

A Call for Love episode six.

Beautiful. Thank you. And, yeah, it's it's not only is

it harmful for our bodies to be that extreme, but it's

harmful for the mind. Yeah. And that's exactly what Linda is referencing in that

episode six. Okay. Number eight, excessive

cardio. I can't tell you. I'm at the gym almost

every day, and those cardio machines are

packed. The weight area,

less so. Okay? Interesting.

Women, I know we know cardio. We know how to do the cardio.

We know how to walk on a treadmill. We know how to get onto a

stair machine or an elliptical.

That's that's good. That's important. We have to do that

for our heart health. But to my last point around

building muscle, forget about fat loss. We were all trained

and told that we need to do excess cardio in order to reduce

fat. Park that notion. In fact, don't even park

it. Like, lose it. Lose that. Think about

protein. So you're not building protein by going on

the cardio machines. K? You're gonna do that when

you walk over to the stack of weights or you use your own free

weights at home or you use the machines at the gym and you

start actually lifting weight to do resistance

training to start to build muscle in your body. So important.

Can't talk enough about it. So important. And I'm not a personal trainer. I'm

a yoga teacher. Like you, Linda.

Yoga also plays a role in our body, and in

our life. I think it's super important. Yeah. But we

need we need that resistance training. So what I like to

tell people is forget about that excess of cardio, get put on

your running shoes, go for a walk every day. Get,

I recommend, eight to 12,000 steps a day. Yes. I've

actually been doing 12,000 for the last two weeks now, the the

now that the weather's turned nice. Excellent. My body feels so

good. And try to do strength training two to three

days a week and still get your yoga in. I would say if you

can get yoga in two to three days a week as well, your body is

going to feel amazing. Start small. Work your way

up to that. But that that should be everyone's goal in that.

It's a good it's it's great to have a goal to reach towards, you

know? Exactly. If you don't aim high, you can't you

can't go in that direction. Beautiful. So number nine. Number

nine, toxins in products. So I would be remiss if I

didn't talk about the toxins and the harmful things that those

do to our menopausal bodies. Not only menopausal,

but also for, anyone that has,

teenagers at home, when their bodies are developing or

even babies, heaven forbid, they're being exposed to these toxins.

We know that we are exposed to thousands of toxins

every day in our personal care products, in our home cleaning

products, our laundry products. And that's that's

just in our home. Like, we're not even talking about when we open the

front door and we walk outside and we're exposed to fumes and things

like that. So start at home. Start small. Start

reading labels. Start seeing what's in all the things

that you're using. Start to become familiar with

some of the words on labels. There's, so

many clean brands out there. So, obviously, I'm passionate about

this because I am a clean, skincare formulator

with my own brand, but just start making those

swaps. Start being aware of what they're doing.

The last thing we need when we are in menopause is anything

that is what we call xenoestrogenic.

So xeno is with an x if you wanna Google that. So

xenoestrogens xenoestrogens are those toxins that

we are exposed to in products. And

they do, alter our estrogen. They

do mimic estrogen in the body, is the way that they

work. So they bind to the same estrogen receptors that we

have all over our body and they can cause a lot of health

issues up to and including, breast

cancer so and other cancers so we

really need to be really aware of what

we're buying and what we're using. Excellent.

Point number two. One, which is super important.

Super important. You know, we used to

perhaps, some of us used to be able to,

you know, look at ourselves in the mirror and we go, oh, I don't like

what I'm seeing. That's it. I'm gonna, you know, do everything

that I just mentioned from one to nine. I'm gonna cut carbs, and I'm gonna

add more cardio, and I'm gonna do all these things. You

know, even back in the day, maybe even going and saying, I'm gonna

go buy some diet pill that's gonna speed up my

metabolism because I don't like what I'm seeing.

This is so negative. And so a negative

body image, it it increases our stress and it

increases our our ability to self

sabotage ourselves. So the alternative is

showing ourselves compassion and acceptance.

And like like you started with, Linda, it's

seeing menopause more as an invitation, not a

punishment. And, you know, we just really need to

start finding one small thing. Even

if it's so hard for you to do this. Find one

small thing that you're grateful for about your body. Like,

if you're listening to this podcast, maybe you hit pause and you

just sit here right now and you just think about what's one thing that I

can be grateful for. And I even challenge the listeners. Every time you

I love that. Yes. And so my all day, baby. But,

anyways, whatever like, let's counteract the negative with the positive.

Alright. Well, thank you for sharing those. Those are really

key takeaways. Mhmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's all about grace over guilt.

Right? So we can guilt ourselves till the cows come

home around, you know, what we do and how we

treat our body. But until we start showing it a little bit more

grace, we're we're really not gonna

see the impact of some of these swaps. So these 10 things

that I've talked about, you're now swapping these habits.

And I know that habit change takes time. I

know it's going to take consistency is super

important. So, you know, I tell people,

you have to do these things for at least thirty days. Like,

at least thirty days, maybe longer. Right? So

and and now is the time to start. So today is

always a good day to start. Don't wait for, you know, January

1 or, you know, wait for some other wait for a birthday. Like,

do it now. Alright, Jody. Now I asked this of my

guests, and, you know, a call for love is about noticing how

you're living. Are you in a place of stress, fear, and anxiety?

And if that is the case, then how do you shift? How do you shift

to a higher vibration, like, of more

care for your mind, body, and soul, and that's a call for love.

So how do you invite a call for love in your life when

you are out of alignment with your Higher Self?

So for me, I feel it pretty

instantly. I think when I'm out of alignment, I feel it in

my body. Like, viscerally, I feel it in my body,

in my back, in joint pain, things like that that are going

on, in my body. And so I like to

shut everything off. I like to get out in nature. I love

walking. I'm very lucky to live in Oakville with all the green space

and trails nearby. So I'll get out in nature

or I'll get near water. So if I can get on an

airplane, get to a beach, get in the water, feel the sand in my

toes, those are the ways that I invite

more love and peace and calm into my body. Yeah,

I feel that from you. Yeah, really beautiful. And because you walk

eight to 12,000 steps a day. I

sure do. And I love it. And, yeah, it's

it's it's what works for my body. It's what keeps my pain

at bay and keeps my mind nice and

clear and fresh. Oh, beautiful. Well, thank you for

sharing that with the listeners. And so, Jodi, how can

people reach you? So they can

reach me a couple of different ways. So through social media,

I'm jodi. Wellpreneur on

Instagram or on

Instagram, that's for my skin care business. The first one is for my nutrition

business. And I work out of the Bronte Wellness

Boutique which is in Oakville, Ontario, Canada.

And so if you're not in that general vicinity and can't come

for an in person consultation with me, you could always do it

virtually, which is lovely. So if you head over to

berontiwellness.ca, that's the website, and

you can find me on their website, and you can book in with me

there. We do have a complimentary

meet and greet, so you can have, meet and greet with me and

just see if I'm the right practitioner to help you to meet your health

goals. Excellent. Well I'm sure there will be

people reaching out, and I want to thank you because this is such an important

conversation, and I love that Minute a Paws is an

invitation. It's an invitation to shift how we've always

lived, become better, to become better versions

of ourselves. And yeah, there's a grieving process

losing what we once were, but you know that's the cycle of life

and what we resist persists. So let's

all embrace this new stage for

ourselves and for those we care about because it's going to

happen whether we like it or not. Absolutely.

And so we can either fight it, you know, like trying

to fight going over a waterfall, or in trying to

swim upstream, or you can go with the flow. Right? So that's the

analogy that I like to think of. And while it might not

be easy, you know, going with the flow is certainly a lot

easier than trying to swim upstream. Yeah. So thank you.

Thank you, everyone, for listening to the end. And from my

heart to yours, namaste. Namaste.