Breathwork: How it Works and Benefits The Body - Jia Arianne

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He welcome back. Thank you for being here in Seoul top. And today, this is Monica Ramirez where you have love and today we have a very special invite. Her name is Jia Arianne. She is a guide of people to start living lives in the openness, trust and acceptance to the inner child healing. She's an inner, inner healing grief coach, and we have many questions for her. So thank you, Gia, for accepting my invitation for the soul talk. I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much, Monica, for having me here. It's gonna be an amazing hour.

Thank you. Yeah, let us know what you do with how do you coach with people how you work with people.

So I mean, we help people to breathwork. So that has been something that I do. Initially, I did coaching and more of the coaching that I did was coming back to the wholeness of ourselves, how I could explain it is that a lot of us grew up with this belief, this broken belief that we are not enough, that there's something that we need to prove from the outside and get from the outside as well. And with the coaching that I do, it's always about coming back to that space of wholeness to that space where we feel whole and complete, just within ourselves. That doesn't mean that we don't do anything in the outside, or we don't get any of our goals done. It's mostly about just knowing that we are already Okay. And, and I believe that that is a different approach, because most often than not, when we're in this personal development space, we tend to seek and try to fix ourselves, which is contrary to the foundation of this principle, which is that we are already whole, and it's just that there's so many things that's blocking that or that's stopping that to fully unfold. And one of the tools that I use is also breath work.

Having too many questions because I as a coach, just We're home, that's we're ready. We're no broken. We're completely whole, every single human being. But at the same time, there's many traumas, there are many issues that we all have, I have not met one human being that do not need to work with themselves in some way or support or the other. Because there's some traumas and things that that we have lived from childhood, to our present day. You know, mistakes, guilt, shame, blame, fears, etc, etc, that we can name it. So how do you approach that those traumas? Are those things that they have to help with themselves? Because that's proven that personal development?

Yes, so mainly, the technique that I've learned is called transformational breathwork. So it's a journey that I walk through a person or a group of people that really taps into the subconscious. So the science behind that is that in that container, where it's safe to do the breath work, we do the sympathetic breath work we're in we breathe a lot. And with that breathing, we tap into a moment we're in, we're in this cold flow state or runner's high. And the science behind that is that that moment actually taps into transient hypofrontality. So there's less oxygen in the parts of our mind that thinks a lot less oxygen on the parts of our conscious mind. And then we then now go into the state we're in we're more susceptible for subconscious reprogramming. And also we tap into the things of our subconscious to release that through the breathwork experience.

How do they know they can do really something if they have an observer to start?

That's a great question. Yeah,

Because it will go with a worthiness for many people they know They don't even know they they're not they're carrying with that they use know that they're making the same mistake over and over and over. And they haven't realize that they're not feeling worthy enough. So how do they, how do they work with that?

So for me, it's mostly about developing that certain awareness. And the breath work is a tool for people to come in. And they already know that they need to work on something in terms of starting out and really not being aware of things, mill mainly for me, that would be more of like an introspective journey for that person to really see what's happening here is there a pattern that I'm building is there, always the same mistakes that is arising in in one's life. So that's something that I would be able to look at in terms of like, that person being able to see and being more aware of it. And awareness kind of comes in different places, I believe, one of that would be true meditation. But then at the same time, not everyone does that. And it's mostly about seeing everything that we do on a bird's eye view and not getting too entangled with everything that happens. And some people can tap into that through journaling, or therapy or, or even just talking as well to a friend, a trusted friend, or a mentor or coach. But beyond that, I think, mainly when a person's ready to see that, they will be able to see it, through life's events, to things that happen within our space and around us as well.

But at the same time, we always have a blind spot. There's always that possibility, I'm not gonna say that you, someone has to tell you what it is, you're doing wrong. You can achieve that by yourself. But at the same time, observing it from different angles as to how you can observe better. What are your What are you doing wrong? What is your blocker to why you're repeating the same story?

Yes.

and more when they steal with a mentality of victim, because they have the mentality of victim. They think the world is doing that to them. Not they're, they're creating that to their sales.

Absolutely, that's why the important part of this is that we bring out the message, the message of how it came about, for me, it's mostly about my own stories on how I realized that there is this blind spot, you may call it, or maybe a term that I would use is an immature part where it's not yet fully fully known. In terms of being in that space of awareness, and also seeing what is really going on in here, what pattern is it. And for me, I use my own stories to shine light on that, because I've been in that victimhood for so many years. And for me, it really brought me in a space where in it's very dark, and also at the same time, there's that loop of self pity, and then guilty, feeling guilty of feeling that self pity and also shame. So it's like circular, and it's never ending, as you say, until, until we actually make that decision that there's something here. I don't know what it is. But I need to change

this, but that part, you said that I don't know what it is, but I need to change. That part is I don't know what it is. Sometimes. I don't know how, how is your technicals I have noticed police your technique with you. So I from his car to understand how like, let's say the same same worthiness, like okay, I have done this I have done that I can, you know, have clients that they could have done almost everything. And, but they still stuck with I don't feel worthy enough that none of the stuff of the worthiness comes from childhood and the majority of the human being so that's where it was born, this poor lady that in the worthiness, and they don't even remember because they kept this blockage because he was too painful to observe. And that will not Change on to the future to like deciding not to that.

Yes.

Can you work with that in with your technical breath?

Yes, because breathwork is very somatic. And as you've mentioned, we may not even know everything in anything that the traumas that we carry, but our body knows that. So we may not know and pinpoint that specifically. But with the body body remembers all of this traumas that we've gone through. And with breath work, how I can explain it is that breath work, we have the conscious part of it and the unconscious part of it. And if we can remember, there will be times that we manipulate it and try to breathe a bit slower if we feel more anxious already, and we just breathe, okay, let me just let me just take a breath right here. And normally we see ourselves going there. But before that, there is a space where it we noticed that we're breathing shallow. So that is the body's way to, to bring out the unconscious into the conscious part of it. So with working with breath, that's the reason why it's amazing is because we also tap into the unconscious part of it, the body then releases things that we are not able to release. Otherwise, by thinking through with

an and you're teaching also, to become the observer. Because that that is part of the big the big issue that the majority of the human means they don't observe the bodies, they're not listening to their bodies, they're not observing themselves. Or even what did they say or think or feel?

Yes, exactly. And the moment that we come back to our breath, and breath is because inside the container, yes, there's the technique. But outside that I always say, and I always impart the part that within the container, it's a time to practice being with the breath. But outside is the real game outside to our daily life where we notice our breath, do we actually notice if we come back to we, as you mentioned, observe it. And by just by observing our breath, it already tells us so so many things. One part of that would be is that we will notice how subtle differences between the breathing that we do when we are actually at ease, or the breathing that we do when we are triggered. And when there's something coming up. And in that space, we know that wait a minute, before I actually jump into conclusion, or think or do something. Let me check in my inner space we're in I'm actually within myself, I'm actually aware of my body, or am I making some decisions or actions just to suppress that feeling? Whatever I'm feeling right now.

That's very, very interesting. It's a very cool technique. Because yes, we can work with change in the moment where trigger or we feel any emotion, our breath change. Unfortunately, the majority of human beings, they're not aware of the breathing. We breathe all the time, every day, 24 hours a day, without being conscious. So it is a very cool technique. What is this technique is cool.

So the one that I do in the container is transformational. breathwork. And it involves different types of techniques within that, but the journey in itself, it's also a difference between the way that the music is selected, and the way that a person goes through a journey. Outside of that in the techniques that we use are actually just different techniques, breathing techniques that I've learned from, too because I've done two certifications and most of them do talk about nervous system regulation. So that's one of the things that is part of the breath work.

That sounds interesting. A, I have practice different kinds of of breath work that with Dr. Joe Dispenza. There's another one of Tony Robbins, there's another one of their Iceman. And they're different tiller.

Yes.

They're all different. They're all amazing and very transformative. diff, all of them. But But what is it? They're similar? What are you do

So basically those ones because I've done some of them as well, they are shorter in span of time. So how I would categorize this is that the Breathworks spaces, massive, isn't it, it's very big. So you, we all have this breathing techniques that we can do on a daily basis to regulate our nervous system. And that involves breath work that I can categorize it into three we're in, it involves breath work, that activates our system, then the next one is balancing our system. And then the last one is to help us regulate Ingress. So those three types, you know, let's put that aside. The now comes the breath breathing techniques that we have to help us release emotional blocks, or to really take us deeper into our psyche or into our body as well. And that then would come into this transformational breathwork, which is a longer period of parasympathetic scuze me not parasympathetic, sympathetic breathing is a longer part. So it, it's kind of, but not Holotropic breathing. So some people have used Holotropic breathing for therapies, and things like that, so that it's a longer part where we activate the body and the nervous system to release anything that doesn't serve us anymore. And that involves into this an hour to an hour and a half of curated playlists we're in, we go deep into that breath, work, listen to the music, and on my part, I do the guidance in terms of the breathing technique, and also a bit of coaching as well. And that's when we there is also a part where we do the subconscious programming, when the person is already at a state of flow, then we put in suggestions like NLP like suggestions on this new beliefs in this new affirmative beliefs.

It sounds really, really interesting. And how would you work with the with someone that with worthiness in that way, sorry, to bring you back again to the winner. But how do you work with someone with a worthiness,

Yes, worthiness, I would first address the specific moments or specific experiences that a person has in terms of that is dealt with worthiness, because that is then brought up is as an intention with a breath work. And then I also ask, I would ask the person to just let it go, let it be and trust the breath doing its work. And then we go through the breath, we start the breathing technique. And throughout the breath work, I will be guiding the person with doing the proper technique. And it's just focusing back to the breath focusing back to the technique. And at some point, the person then would go into this state of tension hypofrontality, where in there's less thinking and more being in the body. And in that state, the person can release things that may that is ready to be released, whatever is coming up for them. And it's very somatic. It's very visceral, as well as the breath as well. So sometimes people do need to shake it off. Or sometimes people need to cry it out. Sometimes the people can scream it out, whatever it may be for them, that is entangled with this worthiness. And it can be very specific, especially with worthiness, because we all have our own experience to that. But it can also be general and afterwards, we would go into a short meditation, just integrate the whole process and not let the person walk around being in this state of sympathetic activated state. And then in that space, we lock it and we really ground into the intention and come back to our body and feel our body and afterwards. We then have a few moments of just talking or sometimes some some people would prefer to be alone in journal and meditate right after

Is to understand what it just happened.

Yes.

Yes, when something that I noticed when people get like the hammer moment, because that's where it change that those aha moments are just precious for every single moment because that's what it's like your conscience just open up or stop serving things in a different way. And that's it. That's where the Hibino cure. And but in those moments, how often we happen with your, with your technique. With those two, just

moments. It is, I believe it's very, it depends on the person. And it really depends. Everyone that I've worked with so far have gotten out something from it. Either it can be big, or it can be small. So one, one person that I guided through a group journey. At first, I thought, you know, she would really experience a deep healing, and then that was it. But then she posted that actually, she was carrying five, was it five years of this, she had the relationship that recently ended, and she was carrying so much weight for the length of five years, and somehow, through the breathing through the breath work, she managed to release that weight. And that has been something that's very common recently advocated someone as well, who went through a grieving period. He lost his father, and he lost his dog as well, that was a companion of the Father. And through the blood work, and after, she mentioned how much he felt so light afterwards, as if there was so much heaviness in the body that just slowly faded away. And I could explain it as something that is very experiential, very visceral, and also unique person to person. But what has been common in terms of my own understanding is that a person really feels lighter afterwards.

That is very interesting. Oh, Ma, my personal experience, I know that as soon as you start releasing all that trauma or shame or blame or fear, whatever it is, you're carrying, you also heal your body physically. Because I am a true believer that all the sicknesses psychosomatic after having lupus, ra, fibromyalgia and depression and heal myself, when apparently the doctor says that, although sickness are not curable, and I improve that they are when you do the math. So this your technique that can also change, that you can heal that because they're releasing that trauma or whatever they're carrying. Right?

Yes. So are you asking me if they can release these physical, physical illness, I wouldn't be particular Li on like specific, specific physical illness. I've seen my mentors do that. On my experience, I haven't really dealt with it. Most of the experiences that I have is mostly about mental health, and the equilibrium that we have within our own psyche, in terms of the breath, work with regards to healing physical illness, it's not a claim that I would say it could definitely it may well have with some people, but it's not a claim that I would put to say, yes, it does. Yeah,

We can claim that all that in your work is gonna heal those physically, because that depends first. I don't know if they have the sales or, or in the technique or whatever. They're

Exactly in the, whatever they're going through as well. Yeah. But it's totally possible that it could help people in terms of because the work in itself is in terms of health. I mean, because the work in itself is very much in the body. It regulates the nervous system outside of the practice in the transformational breathwork. There are other techniques that I do share as well, that regulates the nervous system. And in that aspect, it really releases so much stress within our body and helps us to know how we can balance our own nervous system.

What weather techniques you use?

Oh, some some of them. I can share some of them now. So Basically, we can categorize it into three techniques, three, three categories that I've mentioned earlier. So one of them that helps us to activate is the fire breathing, we're in, we breathe through the belly. And then the other one, which is a balancing breath, we can then do the five is to five breathing. So we inhale for counsel, five, and then we exhale as well for tons of five. And then the last one, which is what we can use before we sleep is what we call, it's a coding breath. So we can do with 478, meaning four counts, inhale, seven counts, pause, and then eight comes exhale. And with all of this three methods, the main thing here is actually just the manipulation of the ratio and the rate of the inhalation and the exhalation.

That during the longer exhalation can create also the coherence between the heart and your brain.

The five is to five, yes, I've heard about that. And they've learned about that as well. So the five is to five is the one that helps us to tap into heart brain coherence.

This one just came to our viewers, what is our listeners? What are their goals? What is the benefits from making coherence with your heart and your brain.

So mainly, I will also explain just a little bit about the technique as well, before I dive into the benefits, the heart, brain coherence, mainly taps into a certain frequency we're in our heart is matching the frequency of our brain. And if I'm not mistaken, this has also been studied by by Gregg Braden in the Heart Math organization. So in this technique, we then count, we inhale for counsel five, and exhale for counsel five, within that we then regulate our system so that we are actually breathing in a certain frequency. So the benefits of that is that we are able to tap into the alignment of our heart and of our mind. So it's like how I could explain it more is that our body is aligned with our mind. So we can tap into our intuition better, we can also make decisions in a space of clarity. And there's less stress in this moment as well, because most often than not, when we feel stressed, when we feel anxious, it's just us being too much in our head, that we cannot even remember to be in our body and to ground ourselves in our body.

Yes, that is true. I guess I also learned from from Gregg Braden, this until the benefits from from the syllabi.

So the benefits, and one of that would be that we have less stress, we are able to regulate our body even more. So our heart and our mind is connected together more and aligned more so in that space we can tap into, as I've mentioned earlier, a place where in our critical thinking or our judgment is clear in terms of making decisions in a space of clarity and awareness

is for our listeners. I just wanted to clarify when you're you have to take a decision, I will not recommend is always going to be your choice. But I would never recommend to make a decision when you're sad when you're mad when you're in that institution. state of mind is put like that, because those are choices. They're not going to be from your price. Good. So, yes, this techniques will help you a lot to center yourself before you make a decision. Any decision that you have to make and more they're crucial, you're gonna get a divorce or you're what I moved from a different CEO quit your job or get a job or whatever important decisions. It is important to have a clear mind.

Absolutely, because there's a very big distinction between making decisions out of fear or out of lack or out of trying to get away from the pain. Not saying that this isn't valid, it is absolutely valid. And we've all done that. I've written sure we've all have done so many decisions in our lives based on that. But at the same time, there's the beauty as well, when we tap into this space of alignment and awareness, and meaning making decisions out of love out of expanding in wanting to grow, and spreading more abundance to other people. So there's a difference of the feeling as well, between those two, knowing that one isn't how I would say it is one isn't going to be outweighing the other one it's always about one would lead to a certain outcome, then the other one would lead to a different outcome. And it's just about knowing what is it? What would we like to actually call in in our lives, what kind of experiences do we want to feel and experience from now on

Which time or they achieve their goals, or they're releasing or whatever they're working.

It's very relative, though, in terms of the breath work, because some people again, the, they go through it with one session, and they really have released a very big chunk of it. And with that, they're happy to maybe just do a session or two afterwards. But some people do need a few sessions to go through with that it's so it's depends on the person depends on the awareness of the person as well outside of the practice, because we can all do the work within the practice. But if we, if we don't follow it up with our own guidance and our own practices outside of the breath work, then that can also be a different factor, that can also be a factor.

Is there any downside to this?

Downside I would say is that there are certain contraindications. People who have epilepsy or high heart rate high blood pressure glaucoma, and people who have severe asthma, severe COPD, or, also, if I'm not mistaken, I'm trying to remember it on top of my head, mental health challenges as well, like severe mental health challenges. So those would be the country indication. So the downside, I would say it's not, it's not something that I can freely just give it to everyone and hope for the best. It's not that it really is a deep work. And there's really extreme care as well on my part. So those would be those contraindications. I normally, if I can come across with someone who have those, I do a different type of breath work with them, not specifically the one that is the transformational breath work.

But mental issue will be affected. Women, though issues will be will be affected by the transformation of breathwork.

What mental health issues? That is very, very Yes. So if I'm the ones that would be the PTSD would be one, schizophrenia would be one, severe depression would be one as well.

Why I will be affected by it.

It's not, it's not art of like, it's one of the contraindications that we have. Because the breathwork is really, it's something that really tackles deep into the nervous system. And so it's recommended from our mentors that we don't particularly open our platforms to people who have those certain issues, especially if they are undergoing their own therapy already. And also if they're also using medications, because the medications that they would have most likely be the medications that would have altered the neuro chemicals of the system. And if we are playing, and if that is something that is getting affected with the whole breathwork then matching both, it's not good.

Because the ones you mentioned like depression, PTSD and schizophrenia. The majority of the people have a certain degree that trauma can cause as PTSD, depression can comes in bipolar illness or it can come in different ones or anxiety also can come also in PTSD or you know, so, or schizophrenia, it is a bipolar illness by being bipolar also can be having schizophrenia, so forth. And like that is goes on and on and on, because the drill the once you mentioned, it is almost loaded with weakness, basically, you only can have seen people for that,

I wouldn't really, that may be one perspective to it, but on my perspective, it's different, because there are people who are undergoing medications that are in those that are going through those mental health issues and challenges at the moment. And there are still so many so many people who, who aren't going through those issues, but are going through different type of challenges. And at the same time, I do believe that at some point in the future, this would also be available for people who have those kinds of challenges. Just because it's, I think it's only because it's not yet why Lee practice in a way, that's also research, because there has been a researcher as well, that a certain doctor, I will go get back to this research, actually, but what they've mentioned to me with my certification, and there was actually as a research done with mental health patients with Holotropic breathing, so it is possible like and, but only for, like certain cases were in. On my end, it's something that I am doing quite new. And at the same time, I'm also not medically, in mental health trained in terms of as a profession. But most likely for people who are mental health trained and all are therapists and who are dealing with the patients that I've mentioned earlier, most likely, this is something that they can start offering, who knows someone may be doing it already.

They're ready now to put me to think in the majority of the cases sector, the pandemic in the lockdown that many people went into depression, and we're talking from kids to older people. Or they then that created in some people, PTSD, they've been diagnosed with just from the pandemic, that we were in lockdown, and so forth. And, or schizophrenia or provoke a bunch of mental illness, this lockdown and this big scared that we see here that will caught worldwide. So you wouldn't be able to treat to treat them with the with the breath work.

Now, at the moment, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't dare to start, just because I'm early in my practice, I'm pretty sure there would be someone who would be able to help them and would be able to offer this this medicine as I would say for them in a safe and curated environment. The reason why because I'm saying no is that for me, I mostly do it online. And those challenges, I believe they need to be in a more curated in a safer environment where in there's one or two or three more practitioners involved. And there are people doing that already that I know in my circle. It's just that for me as an individual, it's not something that I'm offering at the moment.

Okay, here it located were in England,

In UK, yes, I am in Lincoln, in Lincoln, UK.

So you understand that there is a lot of we know air to air. In fact, coaches are now their coaches, but they used to do in the medical field. They used to be psychologists and so forth. And now they're coaches. And unfortunately, I believe worldwide, we need more practitioners of many kinds because they kept a lot of restrictions to medical field for the insurance purpose. So they don't get sued. And and the or not instead of taking a client for a few months and actually fixing the problem, they will take them for years because one of them is the industry of this now and also they in We still have insurance will, will want it to keep the person for longer, because it's business for them. Or when medication because it is business for them, at least the majority in the United States and is where I am. Or the psychologist, they will not treat a client, ie they don't have their no Medicaid. Yeah. So if they are depressed and depression, instead of working with a client and work it through, they will have to do the majority of the time stay in the United States, I'm not gonna say all because I will be exhibiting but the majority of the or the therapist, they will put them in medication so they can finally start talking to them. And that will create alternatives like this one, not possible for someone that can break through with work or right breathing or talking.

Correct. At some point, yes. And at the same time, on the other side of it, I do think that some people are getting out of that circle already, and not wanting to have the mitigations and try different approaches and healing modalities. It's a very, it's a very One controversial topic. And at the same time, being a healthcare professional myself being a nurse, I do understand because there are certain rules and guidelines and procedurals. And there's, it's vast, and somehow the system has been graded in that way. And as you mentioned, it is a business. And so for the goodness of more people, I do feel that there are certain people who aren't already rising up curating in an environment where in they can be treated with less of the medicines, but more of this type of modalities, how long that can be, that can take before it can be brought into the majority of people, I am not sure. But I do believe that it is something that is starting and and also some people that I know are partnering up with like veterans and people who have severe PTSD. So there are it's it is in the works. It just takes time.

Yeah, unfortunately, in the worldwide after more after the pandemic, we need more people that are working with all these issues. And with a lower cost, at least in United States, we have a big problem with with all these issues, observing the news, what is happening in the schools. And that's mental problems, is not a good problem is a mental problem. So and, and unfortunately, yes, we need more, more kind of therapists, holistic therapists, or whatever kind of therapies that is affordable for the majority of the human beings, and they don't take years to to actually get out of the depression or PTSD or side whatever issues they have, can take a few sessions, or at least at least take half of what it takes to the medical industry.

Exactly, absolutely. And the more that people do recognize for one breathwork as a modality that can help that, because another thing that is on the top of my mind is mindfulness based therapy as well. So these type of therapies as the more that people come to know about them, I believe they have become more of the front line modalities that people use.

Yes. And they're afraid now more available, cognitive behavioral kind of be Sara that they're very, very useful and I'm fast. And not necessarily if it's only created for from the medical industry. Yes, so Exactly. Anyone get this certification? Of course, they have to do their exams and they get to study and so on So, so late that they can get a certification if they want, because they're necessary right now. Yes. And what did you suggest to someone that is passing to through those emotions that say, a encountering other people with PTSD or depression Did you would recommend to them to do?

One thing? If you can be more specific on that, what would it be like? Because PTSD is very different than depression.

Depression is one of the symptoms of a lot of

Yes, exactly.

I can say this. This is a symptom of

a very, very general. And this is something that I would love for people to just take in, if it resonates, that I would love to leave would be the acceptance of feelings, it's allowing the feeling to really go through our body. And notice where the feeling is, for example, for example, a certain event triggered us I would say, there was someone who said something that you didn't like, or that a certain person wasn't loyal to you, and it hurt your trust, it broke your trust. Normally, in those specific cases, and you can think of one for yourself, you would notice the body's reaction, what is happening in the body, I could say there would be a certain sensation, so tap into that. And here's the thing with this, when we are in deep into this state of depression, or, or stress or anxiety, sometimes we cannot even pinpoint. So allow yourself some time to just be with your body, be with your breath, and just tune in, where is it in your body. And then when you when you are able to locate it, then you can close your eyes and just feel what is the sensation, if you can tap into what is it the quality of this actuator sensation, rather, what is a color if there's a color that you feel is coming up, and then afterwards, if you can name it, that name it, if you feel rejected, or you feel embarrassed, if you can even go deeper into that feeling, then do so. And at the same time I've opened it up by saying I am allowing myself to feel whatever it is that you're feeling, I am allowing this feeling whatever it is that you're feeling to be in my body. And in that space, repeating it over and over. And just being with that feeling is already a deep work. And it's it will really I believe that this will already take it into a different state take you into a different whole state of awareness and at the same time, a different approach with this. Because now we are not pushing it away. We are not pressing it down, we are not forgetting it, we are dealing with it right in that moment. And you will notice that as you become more aware of that you will dissipate at some point it will start to just slow down or it will start to cool down if it's a warm sensation. And so that's that's one thing is being with a feeling and just letting it be there.

I do agree with you. The majority of human beings, we tend to hide those emotions from themselves because they're painful and don't want to feel them or didn't want to feel them again. And many times. But the majority of times when we are triggered by something is triggers from our past experience. And we bring them back to the present and it is too painful or wrong or I will get to the flight or the fly or fight when we're getting in with the trigger. Jess, I agree totally with you here that we actually we ask those deep questions why I'm feeling this and permit yourself to feel that emotions is grief and sadness, whatever emotion there is. It is great to feel it and honor those emotions.

Yes, exactly. And And sometimes if we, we are even in that deep state of feeling before we could ask the question, as you mentioned, why am I feeling this? Just be with that feeling is already a big change, it will make a big, big difference.

Yes. Just remember that, to all our listeners, that old educe take the history of the world, and all the people that would do a battle to a war, they went with the fear, but they went to the battle and whatever they would need to overcome and hiding, it is never going to be a solution. And this is don't hide from yourself. Because it's gonna be always gonna be there.

That's beautiful. Yes.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your coming. Would you have something else that you would like to add? Before we close down

I would love to add in terms of how beautiful the name that you picked, which is warrior of love. Because everything I feel and see how we all are warriors of love. It's just that we forget where we come from. We forget that love is is in will always be there with us. In that it's not about it's not about trying to be loved by someone or to be loved by by external things. It's about being love and sharing that love with others.

Loving ourselves.

Exactly. Absolutely.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate you there

Thank you, Monica.

And thank you everybody for being here and and they see you in the next one. Thank you for being in Soul Talk.