The Science of God

WSC Intro/Outro: This is When Spirit Calls, and you on your journey are in the right place. This show is about magic miracles and meaning shared through stories, interviews and channeled messages. We have so much to share about who you are and your divine mission here on the earth. Let's get to it When Spirit Calls is right now.

Our guest today is someone whose name I've heard growing up and many times over the years. It is the legendary Udo Erasmus, who is the co founder of Budos choice line, which can be found in Whole Foods and other health food stores worldwide, who design the machinery for making oils with health in mind and pioneered flax oil a billion dollar industry. However, Gouda walked a difficult path to become the man he is today. Being a child of war oodles life began with intense struggle. As an adult he got pesticide poisoning in 1980, leaving doctors at a loss regarding treatment. Deciding to take his house into his own hands. Udo began researching and his discoveries led him to a passion for finding the answers to life's big questions, which would hopefully one day bring him and the world peace. Today odo is an acclaimed speaker and author of many books, including the best selling fats that heal fats that kill, which has sold over 250,000 copies. He teaches at events hosted by Tony Robbins and Deepak Chopra, and has keynoted an international brain health conference and traveled to over 30 countries to conduct 1000s of live presentations, media interviews, and staff training, impacting more than 25 million lives with his message on oils, health, peace, nature and human nature. Udo has an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology, nutrition, including a master's degree in counseling psychology, I cannot wait to dive in with Udo today.

Here we are another episode of When Spirit Calls and you guys I'm really excited about this guest because I have heard this name floating around my household for many, many years. And so how beautiful is it that spirit has led Udo to me. So Udo thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for being there.

Oh, so happy to have you. And we're gonna get right into things because I know we have so much to share. And I suspect we're going to have a fairly long show today. So I want to get started right away. And as my audience knows, we always love to start with hearing your story. So I would love for you to share with our audience a little bit about your story, and how you came to where you are today. So would you do that for us to start us off?

Sure. Sure. I was born in 1942, during the Second World War in Poland, which was then part of Germany. And my parents had come from Latvia and Estonia. And when Hitler and Stalin made their non aggression pact, they decided that Latvia would be given to the Soviet Union. That's where my father lived. And part of Poland would be given to Germany, but there was nobody from Latvia or Poland at the meeting. They just took it because they were begging they could. And my parents, my father particularly loved the Russians as people and hated communism, because communism took everything away from everybody. And so when, when he he had a far, too, he was gonna lose the farm. And so he was given a farm in Poland, by Germany, so he moved from Latvia to Poland and the Polish farmer, became his farmhand. And you can imagine there would have been a little tension there, but they said, Look, this, we live in crazy times. Let's just run the farm the way a farm needs to be run. And then when all this craziness sorts out, then we'll sort it out. And they became friends. And they became friends and they work together. So I was born on the stolen farming in Poland, which was then part of Germany. Wow. So the war ended when I was two, two and a half. And we were then refugees. And we were mostly women with young children on horsedrawn hay wagon on a dirt road with no military presence. And the Communists were chasing us west, from behind was tanks of trucks. Wow. And the Allies you know, the good guys. They were shooting us from planes. They were Using the refugees, the women and young children as target practice, oh my God, and so they were dead horses and dead people in the ditches. And my mother eventually kind of broke down. And she said, this is not, I can't stay on the road, she had six kids with their six and younger, why she decided to go through the fields because it was safer in the snow covered fields than it was on the road. And so she but she couldn't deal with six kids. And especially two year olds, you know, climbing over the plowed fields in the snow. So she had to leave four kids behind, left them with a farmer. And then they were going to take us back to relatives in Berlin. But those relatives had already left because it was everything was in uproar, and everybody was taken off. And so I ended up in an orphanage me and one of my sisters ended up in an orphanage. And eventually, her sister found out what had happened. And she came and got us and reunited us with the family. Wow. No, I don't remember a lot of things. But I remember not feeling safe. That was probably my big deal. I don't feel safe. Yeah. And why is that because there was a lot of noise and a lot of bullets flying. And, you know, and then people change their mind. You know, it's like, my recommendation to anybody who has a kid, don't raise it in a war zone. You want to have some kind of stability. So that a child can grow, the child can grow up normally, you know, and just get to know the world at its own pace, and all of that. So I was very shy. I never felt safe. I'd never knew what I could trust. Because, you know, my mother lets me be I imagine her having to make that decision right away.

I am just like, I'm feeling so emotional. And I can feel my body just responding to your story. profound way

so and so. And so I became a pretty withdrawn kid. And I loved the world of books, because books are safe. Uh huh. Right, you can read about a war and there are no bullets like that. So I didn't like the bullets flying. I love the story. So and then. And then when it came to getting education, I kind of went into sciences, because I wanted to know how things work. Because when you know how things work, you get a certain amount of predictability. And that gives you a certain amount of security. Yes, that's one of the reasons why science is powerful. Yeah, right. And then I got into biology because I wanted to understand how creatures work. So things were creatures work, then I got into psychology, because I wanted to know how sinking works. Then I got into medicine, because I wanted to know how health works. So I thought if I know what health is, I can help people when they depart from health. I could turn them in the direction of health, give them a push and watch him get better. But I have to know where to push them. Yes, we only learned about diseases medicine. So I left and went back into biochemistry genetics, because I'd realized you learn more about health in biology than you do in medicine was you're studying the normal functioning of normal creatures in normal situations. And that's health is a natural knack is a natural state. Yes. So and all of this came out of a conversation that I listened to when I was six years old. In Germany, where adults we're arguing about stuff, and really intense, like the arguments so intense. And it always made me uneasy because I had a problem with like that kind of intensity, or see what they were arguing about things that were really trivial to me, as a six year old. Yeah. And this thought occurred to me is there must be a way that human beings can live in harmony, while in this little cocky little living, little cocky voice. And I'm going to find out how we'll ask six year old didn't know how complicated everything is. I'm going to find out up. That's kind of been my driver all my life. Wow. And that's why those that's those studies because they were in the service of how can human beings live in harmony? Yeah. So. So I then I eventually I left university because I didn't find what I was looking for there. I was looking for something. I knew I would recognize it. I didn't know what it was. I didn't find it in science. I didn't find it in biology. I didn't find it in psychology. I didn't find it in medicine. I didn't find it in biochemistry and genetics. So I left university and God a little bit into psychedelics. And I did an LSD. We call them trips in those days, right? Yeah, we did an LSD trip and that kind of blew Open the door of my war baby personality. Wow. Because Because I realized, oh my god first a couple of things I realized a couple of things. One is this is an I laugh too loud and I was laughing and I was crying at the same time, like the tears were running down my cheeks. I was lying on the floor listening to Mozart, laughing in time with the music. And what it struck me as so funny, that everything that I was looking for outside, so studiously was actually already present inside me. That struck me as the funniest thing. You know, it's like this joke. You know, God's gotten tired of people complaining so much. And so you get all his advisers together, you know how they say it's a it's a story, obviously, yes, yes. All these advisors together, Where can I hide? I gotta get out of here. People are just driving me nuts. So one guy says, What go up on Mount Everest. And, and little little guy says, no, no, they'll find you there. Okay, go into the deepest hole in the ocean. You know, we'll be safe. They're not I know, they're gonna make some kind of a buggy, and they're gonna find me there too. And so this little guy comes, comes up, he says, I have an idea. Why don't you hide in the heart of man. Because that's the one place where they're never gonna look.

Oh, my gosh, I'm gonna use that I have that joke. Oh, my God,

And the truth. And the truth is, that's what I was looking for. But I didn't know it. Because there's nothing in the culture that directs your focus back inside. It's reading into the space that your body occupies, to discover what's in that space. Other than liver and guts, right? But what is in that space energetically? And it turns out everything you're looking for on the outside, you actually got on the inside. And that's the joke. What you're the piece you look for in the world is within you. absolute love, unconditional love. You are that unconditional love. Because life is unconditional love for the body. Yeah. Oh my god. So what if you bring your focus inside into the energy of life? And you can see it? You can hear it? You can feel it. You can even taste it. If you it is that you feel so cared for? Yes. That it's not about you anymore. Oh, my God, I'm cared for. Yeah. And now I look around. Okay, what do I what needs to be done around here? Where can I help? How can I make the biggest splash for good in the time that I have? Oh, really? And that came? So first it was that came from, from psychedelic experiences. They just opened up the door. Oh my god, there's 1000 ways to live now and then how do I want to live? And then I had this very powerful experience that we can talk about. Where at i because after I left university, I was still looking for what is it? What is it and it's like this, there's got to be something. And so I started eventually got into reading the Red Letter edition of the Bible of the New Testament. Okay, because I thought Jesus might not be a bad model. Right. My father was not my model. My mother was not my model. I was looking for. Who do I model myself after? Yeah. So So okay, well, you know, they're still talking about this guy. 2000 years later. Maybe there's been some Yeah, must have been something there. Yeah. And so I took the Red Letter edition, everything Jesus says is in red ink. And everything else in that Bible is in black ink. I wanted to get focused on and my question was, what did he feel? I don't know why the question came to me that way, because I was in a pretty academic, intellectual environment. But what did he feel that made him live? Like he did talk like he did do what he did? I don't want to be Jesus. I don't want to religion named after me. But I want to know, what was his experience? Ah, that's a really good question to ask. But you know, hearing back is like, it's like, what, there is not a better question to ask. So I was pursuing that. And I was putting little things to the test and taking some risks, that if what he said wasn't true, I'd be in some trouble. I had some magical experiences magical. And then after about a year of that, there was this group of Christians that came up the coast from California, and they call themselves the Jesus People's Army. Now that should have been a warning to me because army was not exactly a good word to be pursuing from my life experience. Yes. Because I came out of a war Army War, you know? Yes of good. I missed the cute. I missed the cute and and my thought was okay, well these guys must be all trying to figure out what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, so we're gonna get together. And we're gonna share our stories because everybody who everybody's going to have a story of how they're doing what they've learned. And we're all going to leave enriched at the end of the evening. That's I totally thought that's what was gonna happen. Yeah. And they had a coffee house. So I went to their coffee house. And I was sat down at a table and this guy swooped in beside me just immediately as I sat down, that should have been my second cue, and I missed that one, too. So I started the conversation, I didn't introduce myself, I just looked him in the eyes, I said, it must be possible to see God and live. Because when we were kids, we were told if you see God, you die. And it was always that always seemed strange to me. Because Wait a minute, this guy loves me unconditionally, takes care of me when I'm sleeping, makes my heartbeat makes my breath go in and out, you know, makes everything going on in the body happen, because I don't have much control over it other than what I eat, right? So I don't have much control over that tells me when to eat tells me when I need to be thirsty and drink something when I have to go and relieve myself, right? So runs that whole show. loves me unconditionally. And if I look at him, he kills me is like, doesn't make any sense. Well, it doesn't make any sense. So I started the conversation that way. Wow. Must be possible to see God and live while he jumped out of his chair. And his arms were flying around in the air and he screamed at the top of his lungs. You're from that demo? You're from the Antichrist get out.

Oh, dear.

And I go sling Kannada there, you know. And I'm standing on the sidewalk in the dark. And I'm saying to myself, well, let's see, I haven't seen God. Maybe I'm not supposed to ask this kind of a question. Me because we were also told there are some questions you shouldn't ask. Right? And I but they didn't tell us what those questions were. Because if we they told us what this question was, I would have asked them. Now of course, I was I was always pretty experimental, because I had no culture to lean on. And I had no like, I really didn't have like we lost everything in the war, you know, the land, the house, and the culture, the neighbors, right. So in a way, it's a gift because it really allowed me to start from scratch. Anyway, it's so out I go. And then I decided to go in nature to clear my head because that's how I used to clear my head. I grew up in nature quite a bit. And so I hitchhiked to the west coast of Vancouver Island. Big Beach. They're called Long Beach. Not not the California one, but the BC One. And the place was desert it. Probably August or September, deserted. There was nobody in the beach other than logs. And somebody had draped plastic over some of these logs and made a little dwelling. So I decided okay, this is my hotel for the weekend. Wow. And I went and laid down. And by the way, when I left, you know, to clear my head. I was desperate and confused. Yeah, a certain amount of sincerity that comes from desperation. And it was like I really wanted to know, I really want to know, I just I need to know. Gosh, so I lay down or fell asleep. And in the middle of the night I woke bolt upright from dental sleep. And there was this be a made of light. And wasn't an angel because it didn't have wings. This is like my interpretation. What do I know about as I don't know about this kind of stuff, right? There wasn't an angel, made of light, couldn't tell if it was male or female, couldn't tell if it was older, young and didn't say anything and had no labels on it. But embodied a message. Yes. And I could put words to the message that it embodied. And the words are, I am come not to judge, but to love.

Not to judge but to love.

I am calm not to judge but to love. And all of my desperation and confusion. evaporated. And I have never had a question since that day what was the essence of the message of the Master? Yeah. to humanity. I am come not to judge but to love. And it's more succinct than even in the Bible.

Yes. Right. It is. Yeah.

And so and so I've never had a question and and then over time I started say, Well, who was that? What was that Christ? Because my question was, what was his, you know, what was his feeling? You know, what, what did he feel? What? What was the essence of his being right? Was that Christ? Or was that spirit? Or was that my life? And I came to the conclusion, actually, those three are the same. Yes. And that's exactly what is there. Not only so not only is this the essence of the mass message of the masters to humanity, it also it's also the essence of life. Or in terms of your podcast spirit, to the body. Yeah. Because life loves my body unconditionally. 24/7 365. Lifelong. Right. Yeah. And so I this morning, I was, I was thinking, you know, said, don't expect love from your government. And don't expect love from the people around you, you might get a little. But the love you're looking for, you already got because you are that love. Because you in your essence, our life energy, that life energy, by the way, solar energy, or a fraction of solar energy, filtered through 93 million miles, then filtered through the atmosphere, then filtered through green plants, then stored in bonds between atoms to make molecules. When you eat those, and you break them down in your cells, that energy is released. Now that solar energy fracture is called life. Right? And that life energy when you bring your focus into that life energy, that's the master life is the master in your body. Right? Ways, nothing runs everything. Yes, right. omnipresent present everywhere in your body omniscient, knows everything, because it's running that whole show through a genetic programs that it built over eons and omnipresent, omnipotent, all powerful in you. 60 trillion cells, the power within 60 trillion cells. Right? Wow, that's a def that's one of the definitions of God. So that thing lives inside of every human being. You know, every so you could say, if you use the Christian language, every child is born a Christ child. Every conception is immaculate. Yes. Every you know, and then every body eventually gets crucified. Yeah. And life and death of the body is not the end. Not the end. Because the the energy when it separates from the body, it can't just like, not be anymore. Your age, his energy. Yeah, it's something it goes elsewhere somewhere. Yeah, no longer connected to the body. But it doesn't disappear. Just like none of the atoms in your dead body just disappear. They just go back to where they you know, from earth to dust to water to air. Yes. Right. And all gets recycled. Right? Because part of my body right now it was probably it was a tomato. Or an egg plant, you know, or, or grass, you know, grass that Akali to make milk or right. So that's always being recycled. Yeah. And the energy is formless and indestructible. indestructible, something in us is formless and indestructible. And behind that unconditional love that is life. There is a piece that is awareness. Yeah, and there's peace when you know that when you go inside and you get connected to that. Then you look around and say, oh my god pieces every piece is like space. You know, you can have an explosion happen in space, but this explosion doesn't change space. Right. Wow. So peace is like space. It's everywhere. Always. already. Yes. But only peace in you can connect with that. So if you don't know that peace is everywhere. It's because peace in you is not doing the observing. Yeah. Right. And that's why people do stillness practice. Which I after which I started doing a couple of years after I had this experience in 1970, because I wanted to stay in that presence. And I was looking for how can I stay in that presence? Because it started to become a memory. Right? How can I stay in that presence? And that took me to a, a kid who showed me the stillness practice that I've been doing for over 50 years now. Wow. And so the deeper you go, the more beautiful it is, the more comfortable is the more peace you feel, the more love you feel. The more grace Yes, the more grace and the less you get fried and anxious and tripped out by all the changes that you can't control, right? Because you can't control it, because everything's everything that can change will that's not in your control. Right? Most things, right? And all the things we we get anxious about are the things we can't control. You can control some things. Yeah, no, you can control what you say. And you can control how long you wait before you go to the bathroom to some extent, right. But you can't control the fact that the leaves are going to fall and fall. That's our or you can't control what the Prime Minister of your country, you know, does behind closed doors, right, or the president of your nation, if you're in the US, you know, what they do behind closed door, and who is a tell to do things that may not be that good for you, you don't have control of that. It's like you couldn't be present in something that doesn't change that gives you a foundation for the and then you can and then you can enjoy the changes. Yeah, and turn them into entertainment.

I hear what you're saying is that it gives you the conscious ability to choose how you respond to everything around you. Right? Within yourself, then you have a more conscious awareness of how you get to respond to whatever that is.

Yeah. But even more, maybe even more precise than that is the only freedom you really have is where you focus. And because peace is in you. But confusion is also in you. Where do you want to focus? Right? I could go to confusion anytime I want. And I'm sure but but because I've been practicing for for quite a long time I can go to peace anytime I want. Yeah. Right. And so you need to know the territory. That's what education is for? Yeah. And that's why people take instructions in meditation or in or listen to teachers who are doing stillness practice. And bringing to expression what happens in stillness practice. It, that's what education is for. So you find out what are the options for your focus are, but the only thing you really have choice over is where you put your focus. So where do you want it, you can put it in all of the conspiracy theories, or the anti conspiracy anti theories, right? Or you can put it into the right wing craziness or the left wing craziness. Or you can just listen to both of them and say, Oh, interesting. You're not even talking about helping people. You're just blabbering about head trips. Yeah, thought thought thought thought thought. Thoughts. Nothing.

It's a game of back and forth. Yeah.

In you can be in this beautiful foundation of peace and love that you have, and enjoy the show. Yes, right. Or maybe even direct the short, something a little more grounded. Yeah. Right.

I absolutely adore how you have described your whole story, but more importantly, the science almost of God in a way of, you know, putting it in another perspective for people because, yeah, you know, I think that that's important to have these different opportunities to look at. Okay, well, what makes me life? What makes me God? And how does that connect, and you've just done such a brilliant job sharing that with everyone. So I really want to start by thanking you for that. i Oh, oh, yeah,

I've one I've one more piece to that story. But, but finish what you're gonna say,

Well, I just wanted to I want to bring this to the surface again, because it was so powerful. When you were asking the question, you know, can't we see God and live? And I really want to invite our audience to think about how they can see God and live in every day in every moment, because I just felt that that was so powerful, though. And I want to be able to bring that to the surface because I've been able to witness God in many facets, but even in a more deeper personal kind of epiphany ik way, and not everyone necessarily gets that I know, but it doesn't have to Look that way either. And so just inviting people to be able to see God within them. And within that, which happens around them too. So right,

yeah. Okay, that's cool. And the issue is asked the question, what is the most important question you could ask? You know, what is the most comprehensive? What is the deepest question you could ask? What is the most important question you could ask about? How you live on this planet? Right? Because it came out of that question. And I'm very visual. So I wanted to I wanted to see, you know, to me, it was see God, but if you're kinesthetic, then how you could feel God is a God. And if you're if you're more auditory that you could hear God. Yeah. And if you're just into food, and taste, right, you could actually taste it, as well. And it's God. And it's like God or life. Those are almost synonyms. Yes, it's good artists more more expansive than life, energy. It's more you know, God is more like awareness. Christ is more like energy. Yeah. And so called hold Holy Spirit is more like the inspiration that comes out of the light that you are that shines into the world.

Yeah. Oh, I love you. Yeah.

And, and yet, science and religion are just two different ways to try to discover the nature of reality. Yes, they're not contradictory. But what's contradictory is that science hasn't wanted to go. subjective. Aid. And religion once has been imposed on people, not as, you know, as a as a meme to memorize. Yes, as the right words to say, rather than an exploration of your own nature and your own connection. Right? Who What is infinite? Yeah. And so the problems beside between science and religion just come from limitations of thoughts we put on it. I had, I had a philosophy of science professor. And he said, You can't be objective about yourself. And I just, General, I heard that and I said, Well, that doesn't actually make sense. So I said to well, what is objectivity? He said, It's an attitude. And I said, Well, can you learn that attitude? And he said, of course, we teach people that in science class every year, she couldn't learn to be objective. So then my question was, well, if you've learned objectivity, and you go with that attitude, that you should be able to direct it outside. And you should also be able to direct it inside. Because all you're doing and all of science and all of discovery and all of religion, or spirituality, is based on observation. Yes. And preferably observation from a quiet place without an agenda. Hmm. So that you're just asking what is not? What is in terms of my religion, or what is in terms of my ad, you know, my memorization of you can't be objective about subjective. You know, and so he couldn't argue with me. If he said, because he, he put us, you know, he walked himself into that hole. He couldn't, he couldn't argue with my logic. But he couldn't accept that either. And he would just go. And I, and I kinda like I was a, I was a little cocky at that time that I can't not like, I took cake bottom. You know, but but, but, but it's true. Right? So when you go stillness practice, you're actually getting into a quiet place. You leave your concepts outside, you walk out of the place where your concepts live. And you observe what is in the space my body occupies other than liver and guts, what is there? What does it feel like? What does it sound like? What is it? What does it look like? What does it taste like? What is in that space? And then people say, well just notice the sensations and how they come and go. You know, and you can do all of that. But I just say, see how still you can recur. See how deep can you go into that stillness? See how long you can stay there? And what are you discover? You know, and then maybe breathe a little more slowly at lightly. And what do you experience? What do you feel? What do you see? What are you here? Yeah, what do you taste This.

This is such a brilliant practice for all of us, I think because we aren't, you know, we're we're called human beings but we're busy human doing.

Yeah, I have one on that too. He's what is more important? Do being or doing? Yes. and Western, right? Yeah. Obviously being is more important because you can be without doing. But you can't do without being? or Yes. All right in this Yes. Right. So so that means so that means being is your foundation. Yeah. And you're not doing some kind of stillness practice where you tap into being you're actually living without foundation. And because we're living without that foundation, that's where our pieces. That's why the world is so crazy, because we're not doing our homework the work we need to do at home. Yes, indeed. Like I said, the every child is, is the Christ job, every job because life is Christ. Right? Only. And the difference between the masters and us is that the Masters took it seriously. And they did their stillness practice. Yeah, you know, 40 years in the desert or withdraw to the mountains or whatever it was right? Or under the banyan tree, right? Whatever it is, they took time for stillness. And they took and then they spoke from what what they've discovered in that stillness. And they were teachers of human nature, because they were embedded and immersed in their nature, not different from us. But deeper. And what we do is we tend to just dabble. If we do it at all, we just tend to dabble. Yeah. And they had a committed practice and they recommended committed practice to everybody. It is no and there are things that didn't make it into the scriptures. The Masters taught people who wanted to learn, yeah, or who liked the message and said, Hey, I want that to, while they taught them some kind of a stillness practice. So lots of tons of practices. But the issue is, you need to bring your focus inside. into this space your body occupies where it was, when you were in your mother's womb. This is the other part of the story. Right? So when you were in your mother's womb, where was your focus? Let's say there was no place to go. It was nothing. There was nothing to do. Everything was taken care of. And it was pretty safe. Yeah. So what were you doing? You're floating in a little tank. I call it the Buddha tank. You know, because it's a sounds nice. It has a nice, nice ring to it. So you're floating in the Buddha tank. You don't even know you have a mother. You don't know that there's a world. That's right. Oh, any of that. Right? So where's your focus while your focus is at rest? Inside? Its source? Yeah. In life. And beyond that in awareness. So you're actually while you're in your mother's womb, you're in deep meditation. Like a yogi, like a yogi master like a Master? Yes. And that meditation is on what? On light? On sound, your inner light, inner sound. inner feeling love, wholeness, oneness. Right, and there you are. So you know, it's the kingdom of heaven. Yes. It the paradise. Right. And then you get kicked out. Right? Yeah, that's true, right into this. Yeah, then you get kicked out into the world. And that's it, because it's part of the process, of course, and now you got to get to know the world because now you have to learn to maneuver through the world, they change and all of that stuff, right? So your focus goes from being present inside but absent outside, gradually goes out through your senses attracted by change, because you whenever something changes, you have to say is this friend is his fault? Or do I ignore it? Because it's not relevant? Because you have to now deal with physical survival. So you learn that and so gradually, your your focus goes outside and absent insight. And when it goes absent inside that's where Heartache Begins. Yeah, because heart ache, you know, I mean, we have so many words for heartaches. I've got 10 pages of words that people use for heartache, loneliness and longing and blues and soul sorrow and sadness and striving, and longing and hope, and wish, you know, it just goes on and on, there's so many. And it's because we call heartache by what triggers it. So girl dumps me and I see a blue, right. And of call it blue. Because that's related to a relationship, I didn't want to end. But if trigger for the blues is not the cause of the blues, that trigger of the sadness when somebody dies, is not the death. The trigger is that when when we try to get our connection back by something in the world, and it ends, we fall back to our disconnection from ourselves. That happened in the process of getting to know the world. So heartache is actually a, it's a recognition of our disconnected condition. And heartache is the call to bring our focus back home inside to where it was in the Buddha tank inside in lies in awareness. But nobody in the culture tells you that

eeno, no, right? No.

So yeah, so and then we because we don't like it because it's intense. It's painful, right? We don't like it. So what do we do? Well, we distract ourselves. That's what we live lives of distracted, though, good at almost everybody almost all the time. Right? So we distract ourselves and whatever it takes. It could be music, or it could be sex, or it could be adventure, or it could be moot, you know, books or? Yeah, I mean, there's so many ways, right? So we distract ourselves from it, or we just deny it. Or we try to ignore it. Or we try to explain it away by some caca Vanga head trip. Yep. Right. Yeah. Or we blame it on somebody.

That seems to be what we're good at. Yeah.

Yeah. So distraction and blame are probably the two biggest ones. Yes. But you can't blame anybody for this because this disconnection is a normal, natural, necessary process. In the human journey. Yes. So I so what I say to people is look when you feel heartache, and you don't have to look for it. There's enough disappointments, enough things changing. You're have to look for it. But when you feel it, don't run from it. When you feel it. Sit, listen, remember, he was mean, feel it?

Like it's an invitation?

Yeah, it's for sure. And maybe it's intense. And it may be painful, and there might be tears, but ain't gonna kill you. Yes. And no, if you sit with a heart ache, if you sit in the blues, if you sit in that place, don't judge it. Don't try to interpret it. Just feel it because of less than a hair's breadth. Behind that heartache is your reconnection to your wholeness, that is waiting for you to come home.

Oh, my goodness, we need to come home. Love that.

Yeah. And so I say to people heartache, is the greatest gift you've been given other than being alive? For several reasons. Number one is it gets you out of your head, and it grounds you in feeling. Yeah. And it makes you simple. Because heartache is simple. Right? That's number one. Number two heartache is your driving force. Everything you try and get accomplished out there is always in the conscious or subconscious or unconscious hope that when you succeed, you'll feel whole again, right? And it never happens. You get three days of ya didn't get it. And on day four, on day four. I talked to a multi billionaire one time. And I told him this. And he said, he said I read your book on SATs. And in your last chapter, I was reading B between the lines. And you seem to be saying something and I wanted to talk to you about that. So I said, so let me tell you how your life goes. You come up with some and this guy had an airport named after him. So he so he did this huge multi million dollar will $2 billion project. I said so here's what you do. You come up with a project. Then you spend years, manifesting it, working your butt off. And then when you're done, then you have three days of yay, yay, yay, I did it. And then the fourth day you wake up depressed. And he said, Well, I wouldn't call it depressed. But I would call it let down. Okay, same diff I send different, right? And I said, here's what here's what the mistake is, as you're looking out there for something that can only be reconnected in here. And he said, Oh, he said, that has never occurred to me. So it doesn't matter what your story is, and all of the, you know, of the same and the fortune and all of this stuff. None of it reconnects you only reconnecting deliberately reconnecting deliberately making time for stillness. Mm hmm. Get to reconnect. Right?

Absolutely. Yes.

So other reason why it's the greatest gift we've been given other than being alive. So one is it makes you simple and grounds you. Number two, it's your driving force. Number three, is it's your call to come home at night, and it will continue to call you until you come home or die. In which case when you die, you come home anyway. Right? Number four. It is the only starting point for the journey. And the reason why a lot of people just dabble in the spiritual stuff is because they don't recognize the need. Yeah. For the discipline. Yes, the need is the ache. The discipline is to bring the focus in pulling pull this focus it pull it in, pull it

And make it a consistent practice.

Yeah, it's got to be committed. Yeah. You can't dabble in it. I mean, you can dabble in it. But then you get same thing the Masters didn't dabble. readable. Right? Right. Yeah. But mastery requires commitment. Yeah, mastery of self requires commitment. So that's number four. And then number five, is when you learn to bring your focus back inside. And you feel good, and then you start to feel good, then you start to get sloppy. When you start to get sloppy, then your senses will take you out into the world, because they'll do that every day, every time something changes. What's that? What's that? What's that? Oh, look at that. Oh, let's see to that. Right. That takes you out every day. Yeah, every day, you need to take time to come back home. And that has to be deliberate. Going out is automatic. Going home is deliberate. Right? So when you start to drift again, because now you're feeling too good, and you think I'm cooled out right? Then the hard hat comes back to remind you to do your commanded practice.

It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's you know, this is this is God's or sources way of helping us to go with the journey. And to remind us how to how to evolve how to get to know God within us. Yeah, though. Oh my gosh, yeah.

Oh, my God, you know what, this is a conversation I want to have with 8 billion people.

I agree. This has been incredible for me as well. Usually, I do way more talking in these interviews. But I really wanted to just listen and receive from you today. And I gotta tell you, I have so many golden nuggets from this conversation, if you even want to call it that.

It's not even a conversation. It's a, it's a download.

It is and it was and it just flowed so quickly. I'm telling you, there were so many golden nuggets in here, I can't even begin to recap because I'm still integrating myself. But this has been so powerful. So many beautiful things were shared here. And what a gift you are to this world. And thank you so much for your willingness to share it. And we're going to do everything we can to get to those 8 billion people and to get the world because this is, you know, you really are a Christ consciousness in the physical form. In what

you want to hear a good joke and all of that. Oh, yes. When I had that experience that being made of light and night to 70. Yeah. ever told anybody about it for 50 years? Wow. Because it was my question. Yeah. And it was my answer. Yeah. And there was nothing that said, go and go and tell the world, right? And it was like, but unbelievably grateful for the answer, and a place to live from. And I literally it reset my entire personality, from a war baby personality to just like, it just totally opened up the world for me, right? And it wasn't until 911. When my take home from 911 was discontent people will always spread discontent. And if we know what contentment is, and I claim to be one of the people who knows what it is, as an experience, not as a definition, but as we experience yes, if people who are content, don't spread contentment faster than the discontent people spread discontent, guess where we're headed and adapt point I started saying, you know, I actually need to make this part of our conversation. Yeah. Then I started to try and figure out how to do it, how to say it, how to talk about it. And so that happened in 2001. Wow. So I'm just 20 years into actually talking about it. Wow. After 30 years of not talking about it, it's incredible. I still didn't talk about it. Because, you know, it can't be a it can't be a religious diatribe or hid it has to be something. It's almost like saying, look, there's something within you that you don't know nearly well enough. Take a look. Yeah, what you'll find may be different from the way from what I found. Yeah. But it'll be it'll fit you perfectly. That's how you will be able to bring that to expression in your own way, in your own words, in your own situation. Apps. How cool is that? What if 8 billion people did that? I think there would be no problem to solve. There would be no problem. Not not environmental problems, not relationship problems, not political problems. No, because every human being is a is in that sense, a child of God. Or a Christ child or a Buddha child or a Krishna child, it doesn't matter what you call it. Yeah. That's our nature is the same. Independent of what culture? What nation? what race, what gender, what age we have, independent of God, every human being has the potential to live in that incredible, unconditional love of life for their body.

Unconditional love of life. Holy smokes this right.

Empowering, unconditional love. And all encompassing peace

is here. It's all here.

It's always been here. Always been here. Yeah. Yeah. And who and where? And we're like, like stupid little kids. Yes. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Is it there? And there is that there is where? Yes. And God is splitting it sides laughing

Look at these guys. Everywhere. Oh, my God. Well, you know, I really I really want to share this as we as we wrap up for today. You know, people talk about judgment day coming. But it is not judgment day. It is compassion day it is that unconditional love there. Yes, indeed, it is that unconditional love. That is it's bubbling to the surface. And so it's people like you that continue to share these messages that help us to find this unconditional love to find ourselves to go home. And so I thank you from the bottom of my heart for speaking your truth and for sharing this message. I feel so grateful and humbled today. And so how can people find out more about you? You know, where do they go? What have we got in store for others?

You know, that's the wrong question.

Darn it.

I know. Yeah. Why is it the wrong question? Because they say, where can they find out more about you? The whole point of all this is where can they find out more? about themselves? Yeah, Cindy, right. Because the answers is not the answers in me. It is. But your answer is most importantly in you yet. Now, I would recommend one thing, the guy who showed me the practice, because a website, and he does all kinds of where he works in jails. And he worked with the FARC rebels and with Che they change from being like wild, destructive. They're like some of them are going around and bringing peace to their cohorts from being rebels, right. Yeah. And he works in South Africa. He does a lot of work there. And he's done. You know what else and in India, they had to close for jails because the prisoners weren't coming back. Because they something in them changed from the message. Yeah, it's i i liked the I in iPhone, right? Yeah. I four the number four. i4joy.com.

Okay, we'll add that in the shownotes. It's i4joy.com. Okay. Yeah.

My website UdosChoice - Udoschoice.com. And we talk about oils and enzymes and probiotics is some of the physical stuff, which we could do a thing on if

you were going to do a follow up. I just loved this so much. I'm having you're coming back for sure. Yeah.

And I have a website Udoerasmus.com or TheUdo - theUdo , and it's a mess. It's a mess. It's got a lot of junk on it, but it's got some good things on it. So that's a work in progress. We only just started that a couple of months ago.

Wow, this is amazing. We'll make sure that everyone has access to those links. in the shownotes Udo again, thank you so much. I'm so grateful for the time that you've given us all. I know that I'm going to be hearing from our listeners after they listen in to this, this particular episode. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

If they have questions. We could do a q&a sometime. If yes, okay.

Absolutely. I can do that. I think that will. That would be wonderful. I've got so many ideas. Now. Moving through, I'm gonna sit in some stillness with everything that you shared with me today. Excellent. And, and allow that integration. So this has been such a treat. Thank you so very much. And for all of you listening. Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope you love today's episode as much as I have. And I can't wait to be with you again next time on When Spirit Calls. Thanks, everyone. Bye. Thank you.

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