In this episode, we explore the realm of leadership with the incredible Sarah McArthur, Editor-in-Chief of the Apex Award-winning "Leader to Leader Journal." Broadcasting from the heart of New York, Sarah brings a wealth of experience and knowledge in leadership, management, and executive coaching.
Join us as Sarah shares with me her impactful relationships with luminaries like Frances Hasselbein, Alan Mulally, and Marshall Goldsmith, highlighting the transformative essence of authentic leadership. Our discussion highlights Frances Hasselbein's enduring legacy, her lasting impact on organizations like the Girl Scouts of America, and the key leadership principles she stood for.
We also talk about Sarah’s passion project, a documentary she is currently producing, along with Emmy Award-winning documentarians, David & Beverly Schler—Defining Moments—about her mentor and friend, Frances Hasselbein. Watch for this project in later in 2024.
You can reach Sarah at: sarah@sarahmcarthur.com
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I began my career as a teacher, was a corporate trainer for many years, and then found my niche training & supporting business owners, entrepreneurs & sales professionals to network at a world-class level. My passion is working with motivated people, who are coachable and who want to build their businesses through relationship marketing and networking (online & offline). I help my clients create retention strategies, grow through referrals, and create loyal customers by staying connected.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's
Janice Porter:episode of relationships rule. I'm very excited about my guest
Janice Porter:today, Sarah McArthur who is joining us from New York,
Sarah McArthur:New York, East Coast, Pennsylvania, New York.
Sarah McArthur:And
Janice Porter:Sarah is she has an amazing resume, so to speak,
Janice Porter:that I want to share with you. But I first of all want to
Janice Porter:welcome Sarah to the show.
Sarah McArthur:Thank you, Janice. so wonderful to be here.
Janice Porter:Thank you. I love that we met on LinkedIn. And I
Janice Porter:meet some of my most interesting people on LinkedIn. And I always
Janice Porter:say that because I teach people how to use LinkedIn. And they
Janice Porter:don't often think that that can happen. And it does, but you
Janice Porter:have to, you have to know what you're doing and you have to be
Janice Porter:reaching out in the right way to people. So I was amazed and in
Janice Porter:so interested when I learned what Sarah does, and I want to
Janice Porter:share this with you. She is the editor in chief of the apex
Janice Porter:award winning leader to leader journal, which was founded by
Janice Porter:Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient, Francis hasslein, who
Janice Porter:we're gonna get into talking about Francis for sure in this
Janice Porter:episode, and she is a thought partner and trusted adviser to
Janice Porter:former CEO of Boeing and Ford, Alan Mulally, who is considered
Janice Porter:one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century, Sarah's
Janice Porter:mission is to help leaders work together towards a bright future
Janice Porter:for all her fields of expertise are leadership management,
Janice Porter:personal leadership, development, and executive and
Janice Porter:business coaching. She is currently producing defining
Janice Porter:moments, a documentary about Francis hasslein with an Emmy
Janice Porter:Award winning doc documentarian, David and Beverly Schlanger
Janice Porter:Schuler Sarah has authored and edited many books including
Janice Porter:making waves with former CEO of Celebrity Cruises. Lisa lute off
Janice Porter:parallel and work is love made visible with Marshall Goldsmith
Janice Porter:and Francis Hatfield. Heseltine forwarded for it done by Alan
Janice Porter:Mulally. Now, there's so much more. And I don't want to sit
Janice Porter:here and just read this because I want to dig in with you,
Janice Porter:Sarah. And where I want to start first is the fact that these
Janice Porter:names Francis hassled by an Alan Mulally and, particularly, and
Janice Porter:Marshall Goldsmith, they come up a lot. And what that meant to me
Janice Porter:is it isn't just about work relationships, these are people
Janice Porter:that became personal relationships in your life,
Janice Porter:people, you know, like and trust, and that really has
Janice Porter:colored your world for so long. So can you speak to that?
Janice Porter:Because I'm all about relationships. Right? And to me,
Janice Porter:that is the most significant piece.
Sarah McArthur:Oh, thank you so much for having me, Janice. I'm
Sarah McArthur:so happy to be here. And this is such a special time for me to
Sarah McArthur:get to talk with you. And I love your subject matter so much.
Sarah McArthur:You're so right. I'm fortunate in that the people that I get to
Sarah McArthur:work with these few that we're mentioning right now, Marshall
Sarah McArthur:Goldsmith, Francis Hessel, Bine, alum Lolly, not only am I do I
Sarah McArthur:work with them work together with them, but they're also
Sarah McArthur:very, very, very dear friends. Not only am I their dear friend,
Sarah McArthur:and they're my dear friend, but they are also dear friends of
Sarah McArthur:each other. Wow. So Marshall Goldsmith, one of his heroes is
Sarah McArthur:Francis Hessel by,
Janice Porter:and I think she's one of your heroes, too. Oh,
Janice Porter:definitely.
Sarah McArthur:alum lolly. One of his heroes is Francis Hassel.
Sarah McArthur:Buying. And so I was introduced to Francis a number of years
Sarah McArthur:ago, working on a book with Marshall Goldsmith. And I had
Sarah McArthur:known of her and, you know, wanted to meet her. And then I
Sarah McArthur:was the managing editor of a book. So I wanted to put this
Sarah McArthur:book together about leadership. And so ask all these different
Sarah McArthur:contributors what their idea of leadership was, and going
Sarah McArthur:forward. And I asked Francis, and she responded, of course,
Sarah McArthur:and she wrote an article and sent it back. And what was so
Sarah McArthur:interesting about that article, I had been in the leadership
Sarah McArthur:field for a while. And what was so interesting about that
Sarah McArthur:article is I remember reading it early in the morning. When I
Sarah McArthur:like to do my editing, I'm reading it early in the morning
Sarah McArthur:and reading her, her her article or message, and it is the first
Sarah McArthur:article about leadership that ever made me cry aloud. The
Sarah McArthur:message was right to my heart. And the message of that article
Sarah McArthur:is about respect for all people. And how that has been the
Sarah McArthur:guiding principle for Francis throughout her life. And
Sarah McArthur:Francis, what I loved dearly, CEO of the Girl Scouts from 19,
Sarah McArthur:site 976 to 1990. Peter Drucker, founding father of modern
Sarah McArthur:management said she was the greatest leader he had ever met,
Sarah McArthur:you know, they work together partner for many years, a little
Sarah McArthur:like Ellen Malala. And I, I think she wrote, I don't know,
Sarah McArthur:wrote and edited 27 or 28 books, she was awarded 23 honorary
Sarah McArthur:doctorate degrees. And was she, she she didn't graduate college
Sarah McArthur:because she was taking care of her family. So she, you know,
Sarah McArthur:she was 1951 class chair at West Point, she was extraordinary.
Sarah McArthur:And she was she was the type of leader who believed in
Sarah McArthur:inclusion, appreciating people sharing leadership, not telling
Sarah McArthur:people what to do not command and control. But, you know,
Sarah McArthur:sharing leadership. And I thought, when I was reading this
Sarah McArthur:article, I thought this this article by Francis, this
Sarah McArthur:contribution, I thought, if Francis can be who she is, with
Sarah McArthur:respect for all people, if she can lead this way, and have this
Sarah McArthur:impact. So can I Oh, wow. And, you know, so since then, that
Sarah McArthur:was in early 2000s. Since then, I have found ways to get as
Sarah McArthur:close to Francis as I possibly can, because that's what I do.
Sarah McArthur:She's, I love her with all my heart.
Janice Porter:So we'll come to her story in a minute. I did
Janice Porter:see, though, that I wrote down that she said that leadership is
Janice Porter:how to be not how to do.
Sarah McArthur:She did the full quote. And I follow this like
Sarah McArthur:crazy. The full quote is, leadership is Francis's personal
Sarah McArthur:definition of leadership. And she said, leadership is a matter
Sarah McArthur:of how to be not how to do it is the quality of our character
Sarah McArthur:that determines our performance, and results. So, to me, what
Sarah McArthur:that means is, I can be a leader, whose character, I have
Sarah McArthur:respect for all people, that is my character, and that will
Sarah McArthur:determine my performance and results, meaning everyone will
Sarah McArthur:be included and feel appreciated and all that kind of stuff. And
Sarah McArthur:if I am a leader, whose character is different from that
Sarah McArthur:there's a different quality, my performance and results will be
Sarah McArthur:different. So she had us focus on things like humility, love
Sarah McArthur:and service. So
Janice Porter:tell me a little bit about lead the leader to
Janice Porter:leader journal that you that's your baby, right? You're the
Janice Porter:editor in chief of that is a it's still a real, tangible
Janice Porter:journal, or magazine. And how does it come out?
Sarah McArthur:leader to leader journal was started by Francis
Sarah McArthur:founded by Francis Heseltine in 1996. So, it's been around, she
Sarah McArthur:was editor in chief until four years ago or so three years ago
Sarah McArthur:or so. And it's quarterly, it's a print and online publication.
Sarah McArthur:We have probably 15 contributors at each issue. Our recent issue
Sarah McArthur:was a commemorative issue about Francis you know, all the people
Sarah McArthur:who are a lot of the people who have been influenced by Francis
Sarah McArthur:who liked to write and have written for the journal
Sarah McArthur:contributed a piece about her there's no way then
Janice Porter:we can go any further without talking and
Janice Porter:getting to know really who Francis is because she's so you
Janice Porter:know, in it, I don't know the word. You're the writer it's
Janice Porter:been it hasn't come to me but you know, she's, she's not
Janice Porter:embodies but you know, she's everywhere when it comes to you
Janice Porter:and and your work. So, and I'm very excited. I did watch the
Janice Porter:trailer twice to that documentary and I can't wait
Janice Porter:till it till it comes out so I can learn More. I mean, I'm
Janice Porter:learning little bits as they go along about what an amazing
Janice Porter:woman and leader Francis was because I had never heard of
Janice Porter:her. First of all, I'm Canadian, but that shouldn't be the issue.
Janice Porter:But Girl Scouts of America, right, I wouldn't have gotten
Janice Porter:that concept or that piece. My daughter, my one of my daughters
Janice Porter:was a Girl Scout here, but I don't think I ever heard her
Janice Porter:name come up. So tell my audience about who she was. And
Janice Porter:the fact that she's, like, amazing, and that you are in the
Janice Porter:midst of producing this documentary about her life,
Janice Porter:which is going to be come out next year, and it's going to be
Janice Porter:amazing. So tell us who she is. She, okay. Go.
Sarah McArthur:Francis is very special. Our documentary will
Sarah McArthur:come out summer of next year. That's our plan. It's called
Sarah McArthur:defining moments, The Life and Leadership legacy of Francis
Sarah McArthur:Hassel bine. Francis Housel bine. You can tell she is dead.
Sarah McArthur:I am definitely all about Francis. Because Francis, to me,
Sarah McArthur:embodies who I think we can be. If we want to all work together,
Sarah McArthur:she is that she has the characteristics and qualities of
Sarah McArthur:of people who want to work together. She definitely is that
Sarah McArthur:person. So Francis was born and raised in Johnstown,
Sarah McArthur:Pennsylvania, and in 1915, so she served she served us for 107
Sarah McArthur:years. That's
Janice Porter:what I was waiting for. She was 107 When
Janice Porter:she died, and to lunch the day before she died with you or that
Janice Porter:the week before.
Sarah McArthur:No, no, we didn't go to lunch. The day
Sarah McArthur:before. No, we were
Janice Porter:here. Or there in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. Yeah,
Janice Porter:we are here in Easton, Easton. But you used to go to lunch with
Janice Porter:her once a week, right? Yeah,
Sarah McArthur:we went to lunch. So I used to live on the,
Sarah McArthur:on the west coast. And Francis was had a place in New York. And
Sarah McArthur:so I would meet her for lunch, we would go to the force, I
Sarah McArthur:would take her to the Four Seasons restaurant. And not
Sarah McArthur:every week, but very frequently it was it was pretty frequent.
Sarah McArthur:And every time we went to lunch, she would always ask me the
Sarah McArthur:question, which is the question that's we asked of all the
Sarah McArthur:contributors for book or book work is love made visible? And
Sarah McArthur:the question is, what do you see? When you look out the
Sarah McArthur:window that's visible, but not yet seen by others? So Frances,
Sarah McArthur:back to that question about Francis, who she was Francis was
Sarah McArthur:the type of leader who she always she always had us.
Sarah McArthur:Thinking about self awareness, she always had us thinking about
Sarah McArthur:who we are, you know, why we are, who we are, what we do, and
Sarah McArthur:how we do it, she had us, she had a way of leading us not by
Sarah McArthur:telling us what to do, which was the old way in her time was not
Sarah McArthur:the old way. That's our time, that was the way more and she
Sarah McArthur:she had a way of leading us, you know, leading hundreds of 1000s
Sarah McArthur:of volunteers at the Girl Scouts, right? massive
Sarah McArthur:turnaround to include all little girls, instead of just some
Sarah McArthur:little girls, I mean, massive turnaround. She had a way of
Sarah McArthur:leading us not by telling us what to do so much, but by
Sarah McArthur:having us look inside ourselves, at who we want to be, you know,
Sarah McArthur:back to that leadership as a matter of how to be that how to
Sarah McArthur:do who we want to be in this world. And then just wonderful
Sarah McArthur:things happen as a result of that role
Janice Porter:model really extraordinary in her time,
Janice Porter:right? Because there weren't many women in who had the
Janice Porter:influence that she essentially had, didn't she she got the
Janice Porter:Medal of Freedom from Bill Clinton, President Clinton,
Janice Porter:right. And, and how So one was that that would be the 90s but
Sarah McArthur:that was in the 90s. She's the first woman to
Sarah McArthur:graced the cover of Businessweek is the first woman to ever chair
Sarah McArthur:a United Way campaign. So she and she was also she was the
Sarah McArthur:first woman to do a lot of things. And when asked about it,
Sarah McArthur:or when she was she was she was asked about being a woman
Sarah McArthur:leader, she would say, I'm a leader who happens to be a
Sarah McArthur:woman. So don't focus on my. Yeah, you know, my, my gender.
Sarah McArthur:Yeah, focus on who I am.
Janice Porter:So she'll be adamant about that. And
Janice Porter:so she
Janice Porter:the book would work is love made visible that you did with. It
Janice Porter:was the story of Lisa lotof. Pirlo, right, who is the CEO,
Janice Porter:former CEO of Celebrity Cruises, and wasn't she with another
Janice Porter:company as well? I don't remember.
Sarah McArthur:So the book with Lisa Lu Tov Pirlo is called
Sarah McArthur:making waves. Oh, sorry, making waves the other that'll be
Sarah McArthur:published in early early Well, in February, early 2008. Okay.
Sarah McArthur:Right. Because that's forthcoming. Is
Janice Porter:that did you edit that or did you write
Sarah McArthur:Lisa and I wrote that, Lisa, she's the she's the
Sarah McArthur:CEO. Well, thus, she was the CEO of Celebrity Cruises, and she
Sarah McArthur:has become the, the vice chair of External Affairs for Royal
Sarah McArthur:Caribbean group was, which is, okay, we're overall company.
Sarah McArthur:Right? Okay. So
Janice Porter:I think what what is interesting to me is, as I
Janice Porter:was doing a little bit of research I mentioned before we
Janice Porter:went on air that I saw another book that you were involved with
Janice Porter:called a time, a time to lead. And that was written by Craig
Janice Porter:Dowden. And it says, with Alan Mulally and Sarah, Sarah
Janice Porter:MacArthur, so how do you how do you do that? Like, somebody's
Janice Porter:writing the book, and then it's with you, what does that mean?
Janice Porter:Because I have no idea. I see it all the time. But what does that
Janice Porter:mean?
Sarah McArthur:It depends on on the book that we're working on.
Janice Porter:It depends. So use this as an example. It with
Sarah McArthur:this. Craig Dowden is the lead author and
Sarah McArthur:Alan and I have, it's called a masterclass. Okay, so within
Sarah McArthur:each chapter that Craig wrote up about the principles of
Sarah McArthur:leadership, there's a masterclass section. And that's
Sarah McArthur:Alan and I, so we have been writing it.
Janice Porter:And so you do the practical pieces around. Okay,
Janice Porter:that's
Sarah McArthur:how working together applies with this
Sarah McArthur:certain principle.
Janice Porter:Okay. Okay. Now, do you see, I'm going off left
Janice Porter:field here. Do you see any positive changes, or any sort of
Janice Porter:huge leaps around leadership today? From what it was like,
Janice Porter:you know, 20 years ago, even 10 years ago? Probably? Has it
Janice Porter:changed?
Sarah McArthur:So my, in leadership, my, for me, I always
Sarah McArthur:think of leadership is just like, you know, coaching or cars
Sarah McArthur:or whatever it is, I have a specific area of leadership that
Sarah McArthur:I would address, I would answer this question too. So for me,
Sarah McArthur:communication in leadership has changed dramatically. Do
Janice Porter:you mean communication style? Or do you
Janice Porter:mean,
Sarah McArthur:just technology style?
Janice Porter:Yes. And the way it happens, okay. Absolutely.
Sarah McArthur:I mean, you could look at something as
Sarah McArthur:simple as attention span, when it comes to communication. And
Sarah McArthur:were 20 years ago, it would be nothing to think of a speaker
Sarah McArthur:speaking for an hour about a subject. I mean, that would
Sarah McArthur:probably be too short, two and a half would be better. And now
Sarah McArthur:it's okay, if you're going to go longer than 15 seconds, I'm not
Sarah McArthur:going to be able to keep our audience's attention. So we need
Sarah McArthur:to engage them with something, something rather
Janice Porter:Isn't that something. I my granddaughter
Janice Porter:called me last night or her mother FaceTime to me. She's
Janice Porter:only four. And she stood there and she said, Hi, grandma. Do
Janice Porter:you like my new sweatshirt? Mommy bought it for me? And I
Janice Porter:said, it's lovely Amara, I said, I hear that you went somewhere
Janice Porter:special today. Where did you go? Science World and then off she
Janice Porter:went, but that was it. That was her attention span. It was gone.
Janice Porter:And that to me is is epitomizes what, it's what it's like today
Janice Porter:because you're right, it is so much more difficult to keep
Janice Porter:people's attention.
Sarah McArthur:So and and so there's the flip side of that.
Sarah McArthur:So it's you know, the attention is changing technology, you
Sarah McArthur:know, all the all All the reasons people talk about. So
Sarah McArthur:our attention is changing, our attention spans are changing.
Sarah McArthur:And so route rather than, you know, studying it, taking a
Sarah McArthur:pause, reviewing it, asking about it and trying to
Sarah McArthur:understand it, it seems like, a lot of times people are trying
Sarah McArthur:to keep people engaged in the old way, rather than just let
Sarah McArthur:them go, you know, it there, we definitely have, we definitely
Sarah McArthur:have communication challenges in lots of areas, and a lot of it
Sarah McArthur:has to do, I mean, so much of it has to do with, you know, first
Sarah McArthur:there was the internet, and then there was the cell phone, and
Sarah McArthur:now there's the AI, there's just so much change, we have these
Sarah McArthur:tools, it's like, you know, back in the old days, when, I mean,
Sarah McArthur:the really old days, when someone discovered fire, that
Sarah McArthur:was a big deal. And we're kind of doing that right now. You
Sarah McArthur:know, we could send up smoke signals, you know, there was
Sarah McArthur:fire, we could, there was a big deal. And today, we have these
Sarah McArthur:incredible tools. And different people think differently about
Sarah McArthur:them. So my area of leadership and communication, you is
Sarah McArthur:significantly changing. And I'm constantly, you know, as editor
Sarah McArthur:in chief of leaders, a leader, I'm constantly died, try not to
Sarah McArthur:write every column about, you know, this, this thing that I'm,
Sarah McArthur:I'm I participate in, you know, as who I am, but I also am
Sarah McArthur:observing, as someone who's constantly observing, you know,
Sarah McArthur:this, this area of our, you know, of our, of our, our
Sarah McArthur:humanity. So, a long time not too long ago, but in one of the
Sarah McArthur:books, I think it was, it's probably coaching for
Sarah McArthur:leadership. And then again, maybe in work is love made
Sarah McArthur:visible. You just, I can look back at these older writings,
Sarah McArthur:and see how, you know, I was thinking about it. You know, I
Sarah McArthur:was thinking coaching for leadership, I was thinking about
Sarah McArthur:communication, and how leaders communicate, and, you know,
Sarah McArthur:should have three important messages, community clarity, you
Sarah McArthur:know, consistency. And then, you know, the next book a couple of
Sarah McArthur:years later, you know, now we have Snapchat, and people really
Sarah McArthur:aren't paying attention. And now, again, even later, just
Sarah McArthur:just watching the changes in this, this arena, and it just,
Sarah McArthur:it affects everyone, it's not just me.
Janice Porter:No, it does. It affects us, though, in different
Janice Porter:ways, because people of our generation, now we have to learn
Janice Porter:something new again. And it's, it's a little bit harder or a
Janice Porter:little bit, you know, less comfortable than for the younger
Janice Porter:people who, you know, are coming up with it, you know, and so,
Janice Porter:but then that's what keeps us young, I think, too, is is if we
Janice Porter:stay with the times, right? And instead of going to because I
Janice Porter:hear a lot of, it's funny, you say that because I've see, I
Janice Porter:listened to what you have to say, and what I've read and so
Janice Porter:on, is like, Okay, you're with the times in a mature way, and
Janice Porter:I'm leaning in good thing, not not a bad thing. But there are
Janice Porter:some people who still hang on to the old way of doing things or
Janice Porter:their the way things were in when they were in their prime,
Janice Porter:let's say, and you can't you can't sustain that today. Right.
Janice Porter:Does that making sense?
Sarah McArthur:Yeah, that Yep, exactly. I agree. It cannot be
Sarah McArthur:sustained. Just like we can't keep people engaged, who are now
Sarah McArthur:have a shorter, intense attention span, can't force them
Sarah McArthur:to stay engaged. No, chasing after them is kind of like non
Sarah McArthur:stop. That's not the way let's let's let's stop for a second.
Sarah McArthur:And, you know, just digest this for a moment.
Janice Porter:Right? Yeah. So it's fascinating, really, to me.
Janice Porter:So I know that so Marshall Goldsmith is which is a name
Janice Porter:that I've known over the years as a personal development
Janice Porter:leader, right on leadership, I suppose as well. He had an he
Janice Porter:was like, like, like a Tony Robbins. Marshall Goldsmith,
Janice Porter:Tony Robbins, Jim Rohn. Those people right. He was
Sarah McArthur:definitely a thought leader and yes,
Sarah McArthur:definitely, definitely in in that arena, I've worked with
Sarah McArthur:both. So I worked with Tony Robbins many years ago,
Sarah McArthur:definitely personal development. My personal development with
Sarah McArthur:Tony, that's, that's what we worked on. And with Marshall, he
Sarah McArthur:is an executive coach. So his his focus is working with
Sarah McArthur:successful leaders to help them become even better for
Sarah McArthur:themselves, their people and their teams. That's more in the
Sarah McArthur:organizational business arena.
Janice Porter:So I guess, you know, based on thinking about
Janice Porter:leaders today, and them working on themselves to be better
Janice Porter:leaders, what percentage of people in that stratosphere
Janice Porter:actually do that? More than you would see it more, you know,
Janice Porter:average level, like mid level leaders?
Sarah McArthur:It's a really great question. And that's where
Sarah McArthur:follow up is so important. Marshall, years ago, I think,
Sarah McArthur:maybe 15 years ago, wrote an article and this is what his
Sarah McArthur:coaching is based in. One of the really important aspects of his
Sarah McArthur:coaching is that he, the article is called Leadership is a
Sarah McArthur:contact sport. And it's based on a survey of 1000s and 1000s, of
Sarah McArthur:leaders. And that follow up has everything to do with change. So
Sarah McArthur:if a leader is going through the executive coaching process, then
Sarah McArthur:there's the initial steps of, you know, review feedback,
Sarah McArthur:deciding what to change, working with stakeholders, telling them
Sarah McArthur:what you're going to change with the code, what the, the client
Sarah McArthur:wants to change, and then, and then there's follow up. And our
Sarah McArthur:perception of whether or not somebody changes, has a whole
Sarah McArthur:lot to do with whether or not we think about it, that person,
Sarah McArthur:they may change like crazy. And I may not even know because that
Sarah McArthur:person hasn't said, hey, you know, I said I was gonna stop
Sarah McArthur:telling you, you were I was going to stop yelling at people
Sarah McArthur:in meetings. Have you noticed? I've been really working on
Sarah McArthur:that. If I don't say something, the chances of people noticing
Sarah McArthur:go down dramatically. Isn't that interesting?
Janice Porter:That is interesting that because we go
Janice Porter:back to leaders. It's how you beat how you are not not? What
Janice Porter:was it?
Sarah McArthur:It's a matter of how it's been not how to do. So
Sarah McArthur:that's kind
Janice Porter:of interesting that you still have to make that
Janice Porter:connection with your team or your you know, the people that
Janice Porter:you're leaning
Sarah McArthur:to, especially if it's if you're if you're
Sarah McArthur:working on behavioral change. So if I, if you meet me, and you
Sarah McArthur:think I'm a nice person, then I don't really have too much to
Sarah McArthur:worry about. But if you meet me, and you think I'm a jerk. And
Sarah McArthur:then you know, I continue that behavior. And then I want to
Sarah McArthur:change that behavior. I recognize it. The the you'll
Sarah McArthur:you're going to go back to your default impression of me. Unless
Sarah McArthur:you tell me otherwise or show unless i i asked you about it. I
Sarah McArthur:mean, just even asking you. If you know how I'm doing. Just
Sarah McArthur:even asking you is huge. Just That step alone, most people
Sarah McArthur:will go Wow. So really, change isn't so much about me doing it
Sarah McArthur:all by myself. Change has a lot to do with. That's, that's why I
Sarah McArthur:always say it's working together towards a bright future change
Sarah McArthur:has a lot to do with us being in this together.
Janice Porter:And communicating. Right, which we
Janice Porter:go back to living
Sarah McArthur:birds super important.
Janice Porter:Well, this Sara, we could go on and on. I think I
Janice Porter:may have to ask you to come back. And I want it to be when
Janice Porter:the documentary is out because I'm so excited
Sarah McArthur:to meet you. Thank you so much. If anybody
Sarah McArthur:wants to know anything about it, you just please please let me
Sarah McArthur:know. Absolutely.
Janice Porter:And when this airs, I will put a link to the
Janice Porter:trailer as well and everything because I'm very excited for you
Janice Porter:about it looks really fascinating. And just before you
Janice Porter:go, I that's your main project, I think that you're working on
Janice Porter:right now. Is it not what else are you working on?
Sarah McArthur:I would call that's my that is the that is my
Sarah McArthur:heart project. That's where my heart is.
Janice Porter:So So yes, so we'll we'll stay tuned for that
Janice Porter:and And just one little last question for you before, before
Janice Porter:you go, well, actually two one is I'm really curious do you
Janice Porter:use? Are you a person that all work and no play? Or do you have
Janice Porter:fun sometimes too? What do you do when you're not working? Oh,
Janice Porter:I
Sarah McArthur:have a lot of fun.
Janice Porter:What's your most fun thing to do?
Sarah McArthur:This is an interesting story, and I'll make
Sarah McArthur:it very quick for you. I like to go so some people like to do
Sarah McArthur:Yes. Like some people like to be. I like those too. But I
Sarah McArthur:really like to go so I like to go you know, get in my car, go
Sarah McArthur:for a drive, go see music go see friends. I like to I just like
Sarah McArthur:to go go traveling. I was recently in for gone for about a
Sarah McArthur:month I went to the thinker's 50 event in London. Yes, yes.
Janice Porter:I have heard about that first through Dorie
Janice Porter:Clark, who has been a guest on my show. And then Caroline, who
Janice Porter:you is Carolyn? Carolyn, thank you introduce you. She was
Janice Porter:there, right?
Sarah McArthur:Yes. And yes, exactly. And I. And then I took
Sarah McArthur:myself on a little trip after that to Scotland and went, I've
Sarah McArthur:been traveling around a little bit. So I have now. I have now
Sarah McArthur:landed.
Janice Porter:Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you. And last
Janice Porter:question, what's your favorite piece of thought, you know,
Janice Porter:thought leadership to share with my audience.
Sarah McArthur:So, for me, it comes from the teachings of
Sarah McArthur:Francis and Alan Mulally. And it's this phrase, our one life
Sarah McArthur:is our life's work, which is our love made visible.
Janice Porter:I will say that one more time,
Sarah McArthur:our life's work. Our one life or one life is our
Sarah McArthur:life's work. Which is our love. made
Janice Porter:visible. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you
Janice Porter:so much for being here. Sarah, there's so much to to dive into
Janice Porter:more. So I look forward to having you back and seeing the
Janice Porter:documentary when, when it when it airs. Thank you again for
Janice Porter:being here. And thank you to my audience. If you like what you
Janice Porter:heard, please leave a review and go I do encourage you to go and
Janice Porter:and and dig in and find out some information about Sarah McArthur
Janice Porter:and Francis hasslein. Because this is going to be defining
Janice Porter:moments is the name of the the documentary that's coming out.
Janice Porter:And she was quite some lady. I'll tell you that was quite
Janice Porter:interesting. So I'm excited for you. So remember to everybody
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